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Yours must be different than a '71. Mine simply came out by hand. I think the same threads that hold the cap are the threads that hold it in place. Mine just unscrewed. Unless I'm screwed.
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Ozzie
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Nice shop, Dude.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: Re: Windshield Washer bottle removal? |
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| Max Welton wrote: |
| This feels like a silly question. How do I remove the washer bottle from a 67 Ghia? I can't see a screw or strap or anything obvious. |
1967 KG washer tank should be just a press-in fit, no?
There should be no hardware securing it to the front
shelf unless a PO did some modification. 
It should just pop out of there by pulling it forward by hand.
Once it's out, you'll see how they used the shape of the tank
to hold it on the front bulkhead area.
If undisturbed for many years, the tank may need a little
gentle persuasion with a carefully placed prybar. 
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RCTScott
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield Washer bottle removal? |
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Hello,
I am hoping that I can sort of revive this washer bottle discussion, but in a slightly different form. I am looking for some images and description of the 1967 windshield washer system from start (on/off knob) to finish (nozzles). Unfortunately, I have a 1967 Ghia convertible, where the prior restoration completely removed the windshield washer system completely. No bottle, no tubing, no nozzles, no on/off button, no nuthin'. Can anyone point me in the right direction. I have been searching the forum, but don't seem to be finding the right discussions. Thank you again for all the help.
Sincerely,
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:01 am Post subject: Re: Windshield Washer bottle removal? |
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| RCTScott wrote: |
Hello,
I am hoping that I can sort of revive this washer bottle discussion, but in a slightly different form. I am looking for some images and description of the 1967 windshield washer system from start (on/off knob) to finish (nozzles). Unfortunately, I have a 1967 Ghia convertible, where the prior restoration completely removed the windshield washer system completely. No bottle, no tubing, no nozzles, no on/off button, no nuthin'. Can anyone point me in the right direction. I have been searching the forum, but don't seem to be finding the right discussions. Thank you again for all the help.
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Scott |
Scott,
Do you wish to persist with the pneumatic system that uses spare tyre pressure to push the water? It is quirky and often doesn't work.
Here on the Samba hidden in the Miscellaneous technical archive is a Helphos document describing the system. Sadly its in German. But you can try Google translate to decode the amain bit.
Most parts one can get searching in the classifieds because its common to beetles of the day.
Nicholas
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RCTScott
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield Washer bottle removal? |
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Thank you, these are fantastic resources. I purchased an owners manual, but it has not arrived yet. I also purchased the first windshield washer button that you listed earlier today, so I am glad that I was on the same page. Yes, I am interested in recreating the original system as it will be fun to have yet another quirky conversation piece on my car that will be right up there with the seat back release cables. I hope to never need this system as the car hopefully will never see rain.
I will also purchase the special cap momentarily.
Do you know if the bottle is a special one for ‘67 or will the earlier Ghia bottles work too?
I was surprised that whoever restored my car 5 years ago was able to find a ‘67 rubber dash knob that matches my Sapphire VI knobs, and put it on my windshield wiper switch so it looks original, but only controls the wipers, no push button for the washer fluid. At first glance I just assumed that the washer system was an added option so this car just didn’t have the washer system on it, until recently learning more.
You are all amazing in your wealth of knowledge thank you so much!! I hope to post some pictures when these crazy ‘67 only systems are done. |
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sputnick60
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:13 am Post subject: Re: Windshield Washer bottle removal? |
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| RCTScott wrote: |
Do you know if the bottle is a special one for ‘67 or will the earlier Ghia bottles work too?
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Earlier bottles will work. The Beetles use the same system and you can clip them into the recess behind the spare tyre. There are two holes there that accept the buttons on the base of the bottle.
There are variations of the bottle that don't take pressure. The one you want has the tyre vavle stem in the body and the hose nipple in the cap. Like this one.
The regulator for the tyre looks like this...
These photos are from my '66 which has the same system as your '67
Nicholas
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RCTScott
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield Washer bottle removal? |
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Hello Nicholas,
Thank you those photos are perfect.
I see that there are two pressure connections to the bottle, one from the cap and one from the little metal valve on the top side of the bottle. Do you know what the two different hose connectors are called? I see several of the ones that connect from the cap in the classifieds, but I can't seem to find the ones that connect to the small metal valve.
Thank you for the help.
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RCTScott
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield Washer bottle removal? |
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I am learning as I go along and sift through all the information. The valve that connects the small stem to the spare is the Helphos washer valve. I hopefully just purchased one.
As for the cap with the tubing, there are several varieties that I am finding in the classifieds. I am guessing that there is some sort of a dip tube or siphon pickup stick that runs down into the bottle from the cap? Also, just kind of thinking this through in my head as I have yet to find a full diagram on this system, but does the tube from the cap route all the way to the back of the wiper switch on the dash and then from the rear of the switch to the jet?
Really appreciate all the help.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield Washer bottle removal? |
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Hi Scot,
Diagram? I posted that Helphos instructional leaflet because it has a complete diagram of the system. Have a look at the second page. Sure the bottle has a differnt shape, because it the one that mounts on the spare tyre, but the elements are all shown there. It includes the siphon tube (labelled 11)into the bottle under the cap (labelled 10) that you’ve just mentioned. The newer bottle is shown on the last page.
Labelled 1,2,3,4 &5 is the wiper switch, the older style is shown. abd the squirt nozzle is labelled 8.
Nicholas
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RCTScott
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield Washer bottle removal? |
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That's fantastic!! It is all right there. Do you ever think, "Yup I'm an idiot, it was right there under my nose?" I have to admit the German writing scared me and I didn't even try to read the diagrams and instead read the owners manual pages. Thank you for being so kind with me, I now have all the information I need to put this archaic system back together.
Best regards,
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield Washer bottle removal? |
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In case anyone is interested in utilizing the Helphos Installation Instructions, I had them translated:
Installation and instructions for use – Wiper system
How does the air pressure-wiper system work?
The energy to work the wiper system comes from the air pressure inside the spare wheel which has to be around 3 bar. The pressure can not sink under 1,6 – 1,8 bar because there is a “Minimal-Ventil” (minimal valve) which shuts automatically if the pressure is too low. The spare wheel is always ready to be used.
The wiper system only needs:
Before pumping up the spare wheel or filling up the water in the water tank you need to unscrew the screw connection at the spare wheel.
Steps to install the air pressure-wiper system:
1. In the middle, 60 millimeter in front of the windshield, you need to drill
a hole with a 8 millimeter diameter for the nozzle body ( 8 ).
2. The standard installed windshield wiper switch must be taken out. The
electronical connections need to be disconnected individually and be
connected to the new switch. You eventually need a flat plug for your
cable to do so.
3. The short nozzle tube (6) which is connected to the switch has to be
put through the drilled hole from the inside to the outside. Put the
nozzle body ( 8 ) on the outside of the hose and pull it to the inside. To
secure the tube use a screw (7).
4. The new switch (1) has to be connected with the electronical
connections which we installed in the second step to the dashboard. For
that you need to use a Rosette (3, Some sort of screw, Phillips?) and
screw on the switch button (4). The trigger button/release button (5)
need to be put through the hole in your switch axis (2) and be secured
with pressure.
5. The water hose (9) needs to be installed in your direction of travel and
to the right of your spare wheel. It´s important that the water can flow
properly so the hose can not be squashed.
6. The suspension bracket (13) needs to be clamped into two mounting
holes in the rim of your spare wheel. You need to skip one of the
mounting holes (picture 3).
7. You need to fill up the water tank (12) and clamp it into the clip. The
ascending pipe needs to be put into the water tank and sealed with the
gland (10).
8. Now you need to pump up the spare wheel to 3 bar.
9. The screw (15) at the pressure tapping hose needs to be put on the
valve of the water tank. Afterwards you need to connect the pressure
tapping hose to the spare wheel.
10. The system is now ready to be used. To use the windshield wiper you
need to press the release button (5) and water will be splashed onto
your windshield.
With 3 Bar you can splash 10 liters of water.
Installation of the pressure tapping hose
1. On the standard installed water tank you need to unscrew the fittings
and use a screwdriver to break through the tube. The hole needs to
have a 3 millimeter diameter. The water tank can now hold 1,35 liters
instead of 0,8 liters.
(Picture down below on page 5)
2. Pump up the spare wheel to 3 bar.
3. The air extraction tube needs to be connected to the tank first and
afterwards to the spare wheel.
Note:
Before you pump up the spare wheel or fill up the water tank you need to disconnect the screw connection.
If you need the spare wheel to drive you need to unscrew the connections from the spare wheel valve. The wiper system continues to work because of the water tank pressure. |
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