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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:52 am    Post subject: Early '58 model body numbers question Reply with quote

Hi,

I have a 1958 model big window RHD Standard beetle and the body number is 19 133 which, according to all the lists I've found, leads me to believe the body was built in July 1957 and assembled with the chassis in August, when the new big window model was released.

The last body made in July 1957 is listed everywhere as 23 794 (I assume this was an oval?) so were oval and big window shells coming off the line at the same time, with the new model put to one side unill the next month?

The birth certificate says it was built on August 19th 1957, It left Wolfsburg on August 22nd. It was registered on 6th September 1957 in Hertfordshire UK.

Does anyone else on here own, or know of, an August '57 Big widow bug with an early body number or is this something odd? Confused

Any ideas or facts? Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, out of 73,187 registered users no one has a late '57 oval or early '58 model with a body number around 23 794! Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The last body made in July 1957 is listed everywhere as 23 794 (I assume this was an oval?) so were oval and big window shells coming off the line at the same time, with the new model put to one side unill the next month?


The windows got bigger with chassis #1 600 440... #23 794 was on chassis# 1 600 846. This "last" unit could be a Ghia or Vert.

What is your Chassis# (if its original?) Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The last body made in July 1957 is listed everywhere as 23 794 (I assume this was an oval?) so were oval and big window shells coming off the line at the same time, with the new model put to one side unill the next month?


The windows got bigger with chassis #1 600 440... #23 794 was on chassis# 1 600 846. This "last" unit could be a Ghia or Vert.

What is your Chassis# (if its original?) Confused


The Beetles (excluding cabs) built for the US and Canadian markets were assigned chassis numbers in blocks of around 1,000-2,000 consecutive numbers for the entire Wolfsburg/Emden production run (Frau Neefe can easily confirm this), but it could have taken days or weeks before the last car in a specific block rolled off the assembly line. This may explain some of the inconsistencies in correlating body versus chassis numbers.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chassis number is 1 625 144 which dates it to 19th August.

I still think the most likley explanation is that VW were producing both oval and big window shells in tandom ready for the change at the end of July.

I'd like to confirm this somehow. Has anyone seen any factory pics from around this time showing both models on the line together?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chassis number is 1 625 144 which dates it to 19th August.


That makes some sense. There was a change on Aug 16 at Chassis # 1 624 372...something about the crankcase.

I have ALOT of factory photos...none showing both windows together at anytime...and very few are dated. Sad

Here is the only one that is shown as '58, but no idea of the month...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My # is 1614590 with a body # 10255
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My # is 1614590 with a body # 10255


So, if that's all original it an August Chassis with July body too!
(If the body number dates listed are correct?)

I asume its a big window beetle, not an oval?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah . it's a big window too. But it's not all there now. I had to scrap the pan because these A-holes down here used as a hunting bug in central Louisiana (swamp land). I bought it for $100 and restored the body.
It currently sits on a '74 pan.
I did cut the chassis # off the tunnel and am going to make it into a chromed plaque for the dash.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still think the most likley explanation is that VW were producing both oval and big window shells in tandom ready for the change at the end of July.


You're probably right, Alot changed on the body at that time, they probably needed a head start with some July bodies...P/R shows when the windows changed with the chassis #, but gives no body number.

Itlives might have one of the first square windows... Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itlives wrote:
Yeah . it's a big window too. But it's not all there now. I had to scrap the pan because these A-holes down here used as a hunting bug in central Louisiana (swamp land). I bought it for $100 and restored the body.
It currently sits on a '74 pan.
I did cut the chassis # off the tunnel and am going to make it into a chromed plaque for the dash.

Why not find a '58 pan and weld the #'s back in?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allen , it could happen. [/quote]
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the body number on my 58 is 316-848 what does this mean? does anybody else have a random number stamped near that mine does... Does this number have any purpose?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:37 am    Post subject: i own a 57 big window all numbers correct Reply with quote

Engine#2152790/chassy#1774169 NOVEMBER ////Body#147886 of OCTOBER. I love this black original bug. A pure one indeed. What does the body number mean if I may####147886? 7 for yr 886 for production#???????????????????? Thanks Ya'll hope my #rs were of some help...................................................P.S my body # is not on the ID plate but stamped under it 1/2 inch #rs into the body. I am looking primarily for the bugs production # if @ ALL POSSIBLE. Where is the Vdub guru I need so dearly????
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you checked in the 58-59 discussion in the sticky section?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: i own a 57 big window all numbers correct Reply with quote

mike boustead wrote:
Engine#2152790/chassy#1774169 NOVEMBER ////Body#147886 of OCTOBER. I love this black original bug. A pure one indeed. What does the body number mean if I may####147886? 7 for yr 886 for production#???????????????????? Thanks Ya'll hope my #rs were of some help...................................................P.S my body # is not on the ID plate but stamped under it 1/2 inch #rs into the body. I am looking primarily for the bugs production # if @ ALL POSSIBLE. Where is the Vdub guru I need so dearly????


Mike, make sure you check out our ongoing thread that I linked below, but here is some quick info on your car.

Your vin# 1774169 looks to have a build date of possibly 11/30, or 12/1 of 57.
Your engine # 2152790 looks to be in the right number sequence, and is more than likly the original one to the car.
Body # looks to be from 11/57, and is located in the correct place.

The best thing to do is to check out this link...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=398
......and order up a birth cert.


sixty7bugin wrote:
Have you checked in the 58-59 discussion in the sticky section?


Here is the thread link that Sixty7bugin was talking about. This thread has a lot of great into, check it out.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=401420

Oh, and lets see some pics of the car in question!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine has VIN #1603965 (august 8th 1957), engine #1952180 (matching nr's!)

Body # don't know yet, I'm @ work so I can't check!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mine has VIN #1603965 (august 8th 1957), engine #1952180 (matching nr's!)

Body # don't know yet, I'm @ work so I can't check!


Body # 9013

I guess it's one of THE earliest model 58 on The Samba?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Oizo wrote:
Mr. Oizo wrote:
Mine has VIN #1603965 (august 8th 1957), engine #1952180 (matching nr's!)

Body # don't know yet, I'm @ work so I can't check!


Body # 9013

I guess it's one of THE earliest model 58 on The Samba?



Over on the 58/59 sticky thread,
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=401420
Terry, aka Agave58 has been working on a 58/59 registry. Would you mind pming him with your cars info so he could add it to the list?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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