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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:20 pm    Post subject: Shifter differences Reply with quote

does anyone have any pictures of stock shifter components?or does anyone know how many pieces are involved?

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Clara wrote:
mid 60 through early 66 is different than 66-67 and will not work in the other years. Some people think the only change is at VIN 501 xxx, but there is another change in early 66 model year.

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hazetguy wrote:
Many times people install random shifters and don't think about the consequences. A not uncommon complaint is that once the new shifter is installed, the shifting is extremely stiff or totally impossible. Or conversely, that the shifter ball does not even engage the front shift rod.
Chances are that a 66-67 shifter has been installed in an earlier bus, or an earlier shifter has been installed in a later bus.
On the left is a 60-65 shifter.
On the right is a 66-67 shifter.
Notice the different length of the lower part of the shifter. Installing the later shifter in an earlier bus will cause the stiffness or no movement.
Installing an earlier shifter in a 66-67 bus may cause the shifter to not even engage the shift rod.
The proper shifter must be installed in the correct application.


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Here are some more photos for reference:
Early straight shifter ends:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=533921
Shifter from my '55:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=518622
'61 Kombi shifter with ruler:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=233441
Metal shift rod springs:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=414102

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find one of Clara's posts. She usually has a link to all the parts numbers and pictures ever made.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I did a search and this old and short thread was the closest I could find.

I have a Gene Berg shifter that came on my late '60 single cab. I don't know if anything has been changed underneath. I want to put on a stock shifter for now. How many Gene Berg shifters are there so I don't go and buy the wrong stock one now?

Thanks for any help.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the ball socket changed to a larger size in 1956/7 My 56 has small socket and is RHD, so Berg had to make up a shifter for me. socket size is the same from then forwards. The early shift rod has a metal bracket that holds it to the underside of the floor. Later is different I think. Search on shift rod on the WW site, pics and info there.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

suebug wrote:
Yes, I did a search and this old and short thread was the closest I could find.

I have a Gene Berg shifter that came on my late '60 single cab. I don't know if anything has been changed underneath. I want to put on a stock shifter for now. How many Gene Berg shifters are there so I don't go and buy the wrong stock one now?

Thanks for any help.


1960-1965. 66 and 67 have longer distance between ball and base.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bill may wrote:
66 and 67 have longer distance between ball and base.


So they have a shorter throw? A lot of the ads say "'60 to '67"; will they work in a '66-'67 but just sit slightly higher in the socket.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BarryL wrote:
bill may wrote:
66 and 67 have longer distance between ball and base.


So they have a shorter throw? A lot of the ads say "'60 to '67"; will they work in a '66-'67 but just sit slightly higher in the socket.

no, mid 60 through early 66 is different than 66-67 and will not work in the other years. Some people think the only change is at VIN 501 xxx, but there is another change in early 66 model year.

I don't know about Berg shifters.


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hazetguy wrote:
Many times people install random shifters and don't think about the consequences. A not uncommon complaint is that once the new shifter is installed, the shifting is extremely stiff or totally impossible. Or conversely, that the shifter ball does not even engage the front shift rod.
Chances are that a 66-67 shifter has been installed in an earlier bus, or an earlier shifter has been installed in a later bus.
On the left is a 60-65 shifter.
On the right is a 66-67 shifter.
Notice the different length of the lower part of the shifter. Installing the later shifter in an earlier bus will cause the stiffness or no movement.
Installing an earlier shifter in a 66-67 bus may cause the shifter to not even engage the shift rod.
The proper shifter must be installed in the correct application.


Often if you do a gallery search you will find that hazetguy posted useful reference pictures and comments about the parts. Thanks Jon!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clara wrote:

I don't know about Berg shifters.

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hazetguy wrote:
Many times people install random shifters and don't think about the consequences. A not uncommon complaint is that once the new shifter is installed, the shifting is extremely stiff or totally impossible. Or conversely, that the shifter ball does not even engage the front shift rod.
Chances are that a 66-67 shifter has been installed in an earlier bus, or an earlier shifter has been installed in a later bus.
On the left is a 60-65 shifter.
On the right is a 66-67 shifter.
Notice the different length of the lower part of the shifter. Installing the later shifter in an earlier bus will cause the stiffness or no movement.
Installing an earlier shifter in a 66-67 bus may cause the shifter to not even engage the shift rod.


The proper shifter must be installed in the correct application.




a Berg Shifter will have same distance as 60-65 on left and 66/67 on right. the 60-65 has same distance as beetle but have longer shaft-this why the hood rodes use a 60-65 bus shifter so the shift knob is up high.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a Berg Shifter will have same distance as 60-65 on left and 66/67 on right.


How can a berg shifter have the same distance as the two shifters which are different? Confused
Or do you mean they have two versions, one that fits 60-65 (and beetle), one for 66-67?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clara wrote:
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a Berg Shifter will have same distance as 60-65 on left and 66/67 on right.


How can a berg shifter have the same distance as the two shifters which are different? Confused
Or do you mean they have two versions, one that fits 60-65 (and beetle), one for 66-67?


2 versions. berg beetle shifter is not berg bus shifter. vw bus shifter is not vw beetle shifter.

sorry i confused you when i said hood ride,hood riddence use 60-65 bus shifter in beetle so the shift knob can be seen sticking way up in the air.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I added this thread to the FAQ as the shifter thread.

Here are some more photos for reference:
Early straight shifter ends:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=533921
Shifter from my '55:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=518622
'61 Kombi shifter with ruler:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=233441
Metal shift rod springs:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=414102

Shifter differences search from Gallery:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_keywords=shifter+differences
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bill may wrote:
2 versions. knob can be seen sticking way up in the air.


So two bus versions?

Yeah, Clara and Hazetguy, that's a huge difference.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bill may wrote:
Clara wrote:
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a Berg Shifter will have same distance as 60-65 on left and 66/67 on right.


How can a berg shifter have the same distance as the two shifters which are different? Confused
Or do you mean they have two versions, one that fits 60-65 (and beetle), one for 66-67?


2 versions. berg beetle shifter is not berg bus shifter. vw bus shifter is not vw beetle shifter.

sorry i confused you when i said hood ride,hood riddence use 60-65 bus shifter in beetle so the shift knob can be seen sticking way up in the air.

so you are saying Berg has two versions, one for beetle and one for bus (also used Rat Fink style on beetle)

Which years bus does their bus version fit?
through mid 60?
mid 60 to early 66 is what it sounds like?
or
early 66 through 67?

so the Berg version does not fink mid 60 and back, or early 66 through 67, ya?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clara wrote:
bill may wrote:
Clara wrote:
bill may wrote:



a Berg Shifter will have same distance as 60-65 on left and 66/67 on right.


How can a berg shifter have the same distance as the two shifters which are different? Confused
Or do you mean they have two versions, one that fits 60-65 (and beetle), one for 66-67?


2 versions. berg beetle shifter is not berg bus shifter. vw bus shifter is not vw beetle shifter.

sorry i confused you when i said hood ride,hood riddence use 60-65 bus shifter in beetle so the shift knob can be seen sticking way up in the air.

so you are saying Berg has two versions, one for beetle and one for bus (also used Rat Fink style on beetle)

Which years bus does their bus version fit?
through mid 60?
mid 60 to early 66 is what it sounds like?
or
early 66 through 67?

so the Berg version does not fink mid 60 and back, or early 66 through 67, ya?


GB 6748 60-65 bus fits chassis number 835 008 through 216 028 111
GB 6750 66-79 fits chassis number 216 028 112 to the vanagon
GB 6750R for right hand drive buses. shifter is bent opposite way and has right hand drive handle.
they used to make a version for early 60 and down,and may be obtainable by asking.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everett, do you know where i can find a metal shift rod bushing and spring for my 56 panel? Thanks
EverettB wrote:
I added this thread to the FAQ as the shifter thread.

Here are some more photos for reference:
Early straight shifter ends:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=533921
Shifter from my '55:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=518622
'61 Kombi shifter with ruler:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=233441
Metal shift rod springs:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=414102

Shifter differences search from Gallery:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_keywords=shifter+differences
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can make a later shifter work in an earlier bus by shimming
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good idea. You bring the shift/stop plate up with it, right? You aught to market a solid spacer block.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I see that there are different shifter levers. I have one of each but only one spring. So my question is the shifter spring interchangeable between the 2 shifters?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rustyscrew wrote:
... is the shifter spring interchangeable between the 2 shifters?

From the http://oacdp.org/5867part.html , http://oacdp.org/5867part/359.png
Spring #6 part #211 711 145A the same for all.
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