Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts New!  See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Synthetic Oil
Page: 1, 2, 3  Next
Forum Index -> Vanagon Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  

What brand of synthetic oil???
Castrol
27%
 27%  [ 10 ]
Mobil
48%
 48%  [ 18 ]
Valvoline
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Amsoil
13%
 13%  [ 5 ]
Redline
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Other (Please post a reply!)
5%
 5%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 37

Author Message
aviatorjames
Samba Member


Joined: March 01, 2005
Posts: 232
Location: Half Moon Bay, California
aviatorjames is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Synthetic Oil Reply with quote

What brand of synthetic oil?
I'm approaching the 1000 mile break-in on my GW engine.
...time to change from Dinosaur Juice to Synthetic...

GW doesn't specify brand, they just require synthetic 15/50.
Having never used synthetic before, I'm looking for some opinions.

Thanks!!
james

_________________
...some days it's not even worth chewing through the restraints...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
scottcollins72
Samba Member


Joined: February 16, 2006
Posts: 134
Location: Coquitlam B.C. Canada
scottcollins72 is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amsoil is the only full synthetic that is actually approved by VW.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
K58
Samba Member


Joined: July 01, 2006
Posts: 1171
Location: Santa Barbara
K58 is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottcollins72 wrote:
Amsoil is the only full synthetic that is actually approved by VW.
I wouldn't trust VW to tell me what oil I can use in their engines
I've used Castrol but lately Mobil1 with great results
_________________
Westy HID Projector Retrofit


Last edited by K58 on Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:25 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
kevinbassplayer
Samba Member


Joined: June 15, 2006
Posts: 1040
Location: Nor-Cal (Chico California)
kevinbassplayer is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K58 wrote:
scottcollins72 wrote:
Amsoil is the only full synthetic that is actually approved by VW.
I wouldn't trust VW to tell me what oil I can use in their engines
I've used Castrol but lately Mobil1 woth great results


Doesn't VW also say in the Bentley that the cooling system is sealed and should never service Laughing Not a good track record of recommendations..
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Tram Premium Member
Samba Socialist


Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 22200
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
Tram is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kevinbassplayer wrote:
K58 wrote:
scottcollins72 wrote:
Amsoil is the only full synthetic that is actually approved by VW.
I wouldn't trust VW to tell me what oil I can use in their engines
I've used Castrol but lately Mobil1 woth great results


Doesn't VW also say in the Bentley that the cooling system is sealed and should never service Laughing Not a good track record of recommendations..


They said that to keep owners from buying the cheap parts- store coolant and hastening the demise of the cylinder heads... You know, just like you guys on here keep trying to do! Laughing IIRC a coolant change was reccomended on the VW dealer maintenance checklist at the 60K service, 30K for severe service.
_________________
vwfye wrote:
Oh the joy of custom things...


If water is the only drink for a wise man, there are serious upsides to being stupid.


RIPRW

"I'm very fond of long walks, especially when taken by those who annoy me."- Fred Allen
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Mad-Max
Samba Member


Joined: January 13, 2006
Posts: 384
Location: Puerto Rico
Mad-Max is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i use pennzoil 10/40
_________________
my parts for sale
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=551409
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger Classifieds Feedback
aviatorjames
Samba Member


Joined: March 01, 2005
Posts: 232
Location: Half Moon Bay, California
aviatorjames is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pennzoil 10/40? ..is that a synthetic?

I didn't put it my poll because they don't make the proper viscosity rating.
...at least not listed on the website.

Thanks everybody!!
I've been doing some reading about synthetics.
Now I think I know why GW doesn't favor any particular brand...
From what I have read, any synthetic oil (major brands) is going to provide reduced wear.

What's interesting is the differing views about break-in oils.
But I'm just following the GW warranty requirements!!
james

_________________
...some days it's not even worth chewing through the restraints...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
riceye
Samba Member


Joined: March 09, 2006
Posts: 1554
Location: Caledonia, WI
riceye is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey James,

I broke in my GW! 2.2 with 10w-30 for the first 100 miles, then changed to Castrol GTX dino 20w-50 for the next 1000 miles, and again for the next 2700 miles (Racine, WI to Bozeman, MT and back) and now I am running Castrol Syntec 5w-50. The dynamic oil pressure system chirped during the first 100 miles, but has not let out a peep since. I like the 5w-50 for the cold starts in Wisconsin, even though I don't let Olga see road salt.

Less than 1/2 quart oil consumption on the 2700 mile tour - average speed of 70 to 75 mph.

I use only Mahle OC-108 oil filters.

Gas mileage is now about 21 mpg, and she runs great.

Good luck with yours!
Cheers-
Ric
_________________
'87 Westy Weekender - daily driver on salt-free roads

There's gonna be some changes made.

I find that things usually go well right up until the moment they don't. - Ahwahnee

"Quality isn't method. It's the goal toward which the method is aimed." - Socrates, later quoted by R.M. Pirsig


Last edited by riceye on Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:49 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
RCB
Samba Member


Joined: September 05, 2005
Posts: 4143
Location: San Francisco-Bay Area
RCB is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats the real advantage of a Faux dino when a real one is just as good.
Its recommended to change oil every 3000 miles.
Either oils wont break down during that 3000 mile period.
Im not so sure Syn burns cooler that Dino so whats the difference?
If you want your motor to run cooler why not use a higher octane gas?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Classifieds Feedback
K58
Samba Member


Joined: July 01, 2006
Posts: 1171
Location: Santa Barbara
K58 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCB wrote:
Whats the real advantage of a Faux dino when a real one is just as good.
Its recommended to change oil every 3000 miles.
Either oils wont break down during that 3000 mile period.
Im not so sure Syn burns cooler that Dino so whats the difference?
If you want your motor to run cooler why not use a higher octane gas?

It's all about wear
Synth oils reduce wear and they sustain better over time (fewer oil changes)
_________________
Westy HID Projector Retrofit
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
riceye
Samba Member


Joined: March 09, 2006
Posts: 1554
Location: Caledonia, WI
riceye is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Its recommended to change oil every 3000 miles.


Check the VW manual. Oil change interval prescribed by VW is 7,500 miles. I think that European folks make fun of us westerners for wasting good oil!

That said, I plan to change my oil once each year in late fall, just before storing the van. Again, Castrol Syntec 5w-50.

It would be an exceptional year for me to exceed 5,000 miles. Just start up and go in the spring!

Salude,
Ric
_________________
'87 Westy Weekender - daily driver on salt-free roads

There's gonna be some changes made.

I find that things usually go well right up until the moment they don't. - Ahwahnee

"Quality isn't method. It's the goal toward which the method is aimed." - Socrates, later quoted by R.M. Pirsig
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Mad-Max
Samba Member


Joined: January 13, 2006
Posts: 384
Location: Puerto Rico
Mad-Max is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i waited till i hit 3 000 miles but it took like 4 1/2 months
and my oil was black as johnny depps eye liner,
it was running crappy and was eating gas.
i'm not going to change my oil once a year
even if they say every 7, 500 miles
_________________
my parts for sale
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=551409
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger Classifieds Feedback
Monoscope
Samba Member


Joined: October 10, 2005
Posts: 14
Location: Seattle
Monoscope is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to my mechanic (Louis Foreign Auto), Synthetic isn't a good idea to run for long intervals in gas engines, they build up to much sludge to make a 10 or 20k oil change a good idea.
Though he said for diesels it's a great idea. His recommendation was just to use cheap Castrol or whatever and change it every 3000mi religiously
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
tds3pete
Samba Member


Joined: April 04, 2004
Posts: 914
Location: Seattle, WA
tds3pete is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's probably as many opinions on oil as there are members of Samba.

I've used Castrol organic GTX in every VW and Porsche for 37 years. I am always pleased how clean they are when torn down. Never a problem.

I agree that VW's recommendations are sometimes suspect. They say never to change manual transmission oil. But I have always changed it when I could sense shifting not up to par (usually 30-40k) and it clears things up.

I just changed it in my EVC at 112k, and found the previous owner has overfilled it with organic 90 Wt. I put in synthetic 75-90 (the factory recommendation) and it has gone from sticky shifting to like new.

Cheers, Pete
_________________
'58 Westy camper-come and gone
'73 Westy-bought new in Holland,now gone
'86 Syncro weekender-come and gone
'79 Westy...Oscar
'95 Eurovan Camper/5 spd...Marsha Mellow
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
mr_vanagon
Samba Member


Joined: March 31, 2005
Posts: 576
Location: Southern Illinois (GO SALUKIS)
mr_vanagon is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To answer the question you ask about what brand of 15w50 synthetic oil to use, I'd check to see what you can find around you in 15w50. I know that Cast sytec and mobil1 can be had in that weight from walmart but I know nothing about other sources. Should probably just pick one you can find reliably and use that all the time.
_________________
'68 Autostick Bug Mom bought new
'89 Tintop Vanagon Dad bought new
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
caleb
Samba Member


Joined: July 07, 2006
Posts: 40

caleb is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what kind of oil filters do you guys use in your vanagons? I just got a bosch, is that good?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
mr_vanagon
Samba Member


Joined: March 31, 2005
Posts: 576
Location: Southern Illinois (GO SALUKIS)
mr_vanagon is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: oil filters Reply with quote

This is copied from a reply I made yesterday to another post asking essentially the same question. I hope my pasting it here doesn't annoy more than inform.

"As for oil filters, use a name brand filter with anti-drain back valve and you'll be fine. To tell if the filter has this feature look at the end of the filter in the small holes around the perimeter. Inside these holes you should see a rubber flap almost peeking out. This is the drain back "valve" that is used to prevent oil starvation at start up. This is often not needed but the orientation of the filter on vanagons makes it a must. No worries though, virtually all modern filter designs intended for vanagons have this today The fear about this issue is mostly a leftover from a time when this was not a standard feature. The same is true about phosphate free antifreeze. Modern antifreeze from all the major brands is phosphate free according to the help desk guy at Allied Signal. Hes the same guy I asked about oil filters. They make Prestone and Fram as well as a host of store brand filters and car chemicals."

If your Bosch filter has this feature (and it almost surely does) it is fine to use on a vanagon.
_________________
'68 Autostick Bug Mom bought new
'89 Tintop Vanagon Dad bought new
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
caleb
Samba Member


Joined: July 07, 2006
Posts: 40

caleb is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanx, right after i posted that i found your other post and checked my new filter, its got the rubber lip so it should work. thanx for the info mr_vanagon
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
RichBenn
Samba Member


Joined: November 16, 2005
Posts: 683
Location: Lake Tahoe, NV
RichBenn is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mobil 1 or Amsoil if you can get it. Better mileage, longer engine life, increased change intervals(maybe) than dino oil. However, not too long (over ~ 7500?) as the oil filters don't keep filtering effectively for too long an interval. I used to work with large machinery -- oil analysis was the key -- increases in particles and other oil factors says it's time to change. Oil analysis cost more than an oil change, though, so we just all change it at the interval we feel comfortable with. However, so we probably all change oil more often than we need to.

Rich
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Tram Premium Member
Samba Socialist


Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 22200
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
Tram is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K58 wrote:
RCB wrote:
Whats the real advantage of a Faux dino when a real one is just as good.
Its recommended to change oil every 3000 miles.
Either oils wont break down during that 3000 mile period.
Im not so sure Syn burns cooler that Dino so whats the difference?
If you want your motor to run cooler why not use a higher octane gas?

It's all about wear
Synth oils reduce wear and they sustain better over time (fewer oil changes)


Another thing is that the synthetics have always had properties that make up for a lot of the additives that dino oils are dropping for emissions reasons.
_________________
vwfye wrote:
Oh the joy of custom things...


If water is the only drink for a wise man, there are serious upsides to being stupid.


RIPRW

"I'm very fond of long walks, especially when taken by those who annoy me."- Fred Allen
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Vanagon All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: 1, 2, 3  Next
Page 1 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2020, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB