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Split 66'
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OG spring on the left, New Wolfsburg West spring on the right:
| Ian wrote: |
you have to bend them real hard, your old spring has lost tension and is stuck in a worn out position.
spring looks right, hook is the right way
i have installed 3 of the WW ones and a couple of the "cheap" ones, they all seem to be fine |
I tried to get the WW spring in there but it really seems that bend is incomplete, it was too difficult to get the spring between the frame cross-member and the pedal stop. How were you able to compress the spring long enough to get the pedal lever in place?
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I guess you're more lucky than I am. I investigated today my spring and tried to mount it. It's not possible, but mine is different than yours. It's flipped, like in the mirror. The hook is on the other side that original. I guess the Bays have the pedal connected from the other side. |
I can send you a Wolfsburg West spring, the one seen in the photos. You'll have to use Ian's method of getting it to fit or bend it to look like the stock one. PM me an address and I'll send you the spring. Not sure how long it would take to get to Mexico from here but I can send it out tomorrow.
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unless that spring (on the left in the pic above) is actually broken, if you install it properly, there will be plenty of tension for it to return the pedal for a long time.
i have had genuine VW NOS springs, with VW stickers still on them (VW paper stickers, not the vwoa dealership stickers) and they looked like the spring on the left (in the pic above, on the right below).
in the above pic, the spring on the right looks like a poorly made repro, or perhaps a (repro of a ?) bay window spring.
broken spring on left, original spring on right
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Thanks for pointing this out hazetguy, my OG spring is in good shape and the return is snappy enough. I wasn't sure what was going on and why it was so tough to get the WW spring to fit. I'll call WW tomorrow and let them know. Thanks again for sorting that out.
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johny__utah
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| I cant seem to install mine correctly?? Its either to tight "bolt not the spirng" that it doesnt return the pedal,, or to loose that the nut is half way on. A few times the spring angles the pedal causing it to rub against the side of the steering box mount. Its a og spring. |
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Split 66'
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I received an email from WW about their experience installing their own return spring, here it is:
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| So I was able to get the spring to go on, as you can see in the photos. We don't like the way it fits, so we will be fixing the part. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. We'll keep you posted once we have the new production spring available. |
Good to see that the problem will be fixed shortly.
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Split 66'
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| I cant seem to install mine correctly?? Its either to tight "bolt not the spirng" that it doesnt return the pedal,, or to loose that the nut is half way on. A few times the spring angles the pedal causing it to rub against the side of the steering box mount. Its a og spring. |
Can you post pics of what is causing the problem? If you are using an OG spring, make sure it is located like the one in hazetyguy's photo:
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drumming123
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Can someone please confirm the orientation of these pieces? I took the brake pedal off so long ago and can't remember which pieces go where (except the snap ring and washer).
I looked in the obsolete documentation, but couldn't make out the image very well. |
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drumming123
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Thank you Everett. Just what I needed.
Can you tell what the 2nd item from the left in my picture is from?
It's a thick, stepped washer, I had it in the ziplock bag with the other brake components. Maybe I just slipped it in there on accident. |
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dreadnotmusic
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It looks to me like you have two different brake spring seats (#31).
I took the pedal assembly apart on my 66 to do a box raise and noticed I didn't have a spring seat (stepped washer) so I ordered one from Campingbox. I didn't end up using it because I couldn't reassemble the pedal as long as it was in there. It kept wanting to "crush" the spring seat up against the frame and bind the pedal. I left it out and put it back together as it was before. Problem solved.
Good luck. Be sure to post pics.
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justinpirie
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I'm missing my snap ring and washer- does anyone know the dimensions of either or where to buy them?
Is the beetle one the same? http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=N124241
What size washer does it take?
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nebkv
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I have two version of pedal 
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Maybe black pedal going without part 31 from EverettB picture?
Or have longest part 30?
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nlorntson
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It says in the Bentley manual that from September 1964 Chassis No 255026862 that the support tube (211721141) of the brake pedal on all LHD models was lengthened 7mm to improve the location of the return spring. If you use the longer tube version, you do not use the "special washer" 211721235 (#31 I think). |
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GLHTurbo
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Stupid question but just want to make sure. With no master cylinder or pushrod installed, the brake pedal should always spring back to the "up" position, correct? When you push my pedal, it just stays at the floor. Spring is present, maybe it's cracked though.
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| Stupid question but just want to make sure. With no master cylinder or pushrod installed, the brake pedal should always spring back to the "up" position, correct? When you push my pedal, it just stays at the floor. Spring is present, maybe it's cracked though. |
Yes it should spring up. |
Thanks Stan, another part for the shopping list.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Replacing brake pedal spring |
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| Stupid question but just want to make sure. With no master cylinder or pushrod installed, the brake pedal should always spring back to the "up" position, correct? When you push my pedal, it just stays at the floor. Spring is present, maybe it's cracked though. |
Yes it should spring up. |
Thanks Stan, another part for the shopping list. |
Or the pivot is just dirty and dry. I pulled both clutch and brake pedals out, cleaned, lubed and reassembled and it was a big difference after. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Replacing brake pedal spring |
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| ToolBox wrote: |
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| Stupid question but just want to make sure. With no master cylinder or pushrod installed, the brake pedal should always spring back to the "up" position, correct? When you push my pedal, it just stays at the floor. Spring is present, maybe it's cracked though. |
Yes it should spring up. |
Thanks Stan, another part for the shopping list. |
Or the pivot is just dirty and dry. I pulled both clutch and brake pedals out, cleaned, lubed and reassembled and it was a big difference after. |
The brake spring is really strong, I would suspect it's messed up if it can be held down just by dirt and no grease.
Always a good idea to disassemble and inspect and grease it when you do the spring though.
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GLHTurbo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Replacing brake pedal spring |
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Thanks, I'm going to break it all down, clean and grease and see what's up. My clutch pedal seems a little off too, so maybe this is the case and everything is just dry and dirty.
Does the clutch pedal use the same spring as the brake arm? I think it is the same?
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Replacing brake pedal spring |
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Thanks, I'm going to break it all down, clean and grease and see what's up. My clutch pedal seems a little off too, so maybe this is the case and everything is just dry and dirty.
Does the clutch pedal use the same spring as the brake arm? I think it is the same? |
No spring on the clutch pedal, just the spring on the transmission arm |
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