New engine for the 67

BirdLives · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject: New engine for the 67

The stock engine in the 67 I just bought 3 weeks ago seized cruising back from the Bugs by Bay show.

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I've decided to put my money into quality parts rather than trying to go faster. Engine will be a stock H-case 1500 single-port (really 1600),stock carb, heads and exhaust. Here are the changes I'm considering and some questions.

-doghouse fan/cooler
Can I still use my generator?
-case tapped for full-flow with Berg kit, also case savers
The oil pump studs are different on the 1500, will that berg pump cover fit? Also, what size oil pump should I use? Can the stock one handle the full-flow?
-counterweighted 69mm crank from DPR or DMS
-Very mild cam like a webcam 119 (.422 lift, 242 duration @.050)
Am I waisting my time with this? Short of ceramic what lifters should I use with this or the stock cam?

Let me know what you think. Thanks.
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keifernet · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: New engine for the 67

Alan Willis · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject:

I second that! If you want a more bulletproof engine, use a modern case.
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BirdLives · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject:

So this is what you guys recommend?
http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=ECA0001&cartid=0924200659734977
I don't even know if the existing case is salvagable yet. Thanks for the links Keifer, didn't realize H-cases were so bad.
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Alan Willis · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject:

Yes. Those cases are as good as you can get! John has made many 2332's out of that style case with no probs.
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BirdLives · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject:

I guess it is silly to skimp on the case, that would also solve my compatability problems with the oil cooler and pump cover. I kinda like the idea of having that "H" on there for originality sake, but I can let it go to avoid seeing the tow-truck man again.

I know it's really controversial, but what do you guys think about the cam/lifters? SLR'd scats with that webcam?
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Alan Willis · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject:

I only use Engle cams and stock German lifters.SLR covered lifters are bulletproof,but are you building a high horse engine?
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bill may · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:59 am Post subject:

your new case can be stamped with anything as they are not stamped. pump can be installed with washers-per gene berg tech articles. the berg articles are worth the $35 they cost. the combo of the the berg tech articles and the bentley manual for 66-69 beetle will give you correct info to do this build once. i would use a engle 100 or 110 cam thou'
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volksfiend · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:47 am Post subject:

Just a tip. Start adding up all the bits for doing your build correctly....then consider the factory crate longblock from a reputable vendor. Some nice details on the new mexizillian blocks. Long reach spark plugs, larger valve adjusters, REAL VALVE GUIDE SEALS. All new..factory built.

BirdLives · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:03 am Post subject:

67jason · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject:

if your still wanting to retain the single port heads i would just build the engine up stock. if you go with dual ports, you could throw ina mild cam and some kads...but id use a counterweighted crank for sure.
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Alan Willis · Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject:

A.J. made a badass single port engine (with the help of Jason Lauffer I think) If memory serves it was either a 1915 0r 1904? I remember it made good hp, but great torque for its size;a real sleeper!
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BirdLives · Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject:

Opened the case today with Mikes help -thanks Mike- Thought you guys might like to see a taste of the carnage.

The cam was broken into 4 pieces and the case mushroomed out around the cam bearings.

Anybody need a boat anchor Question

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67jason · Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject:

WOW

too bad you wernt able to enjoy the car longer before she gave up the ghost. btw i spoke to my dad a few weeks ago and i inquired if you had contacted him about an engine, he said he couldnt place your name, and could not recall an email from you. he did however have some computer problems, so your info could have gotten lost. he is coming out here soon and i hope his itenerary includes a NAG meet day so he can meet you and everyone else.

how are the rebuild plans going?
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dog_jr911 · Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject:

if you are going to rebuild the engine, you should go get a 500 $$ case. you can still get used new model cases for cheap.
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60's Burnout · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:11 am Post subject:

Not to diss you, but do you have a 10,000 watt sound system? Turned to 11?

That rod must have been banging for a quite a while to get that blue. Were you on 680 doing 75, to keep up with traffic? You could have fragged it in 30 seconds or so there.

Build two engines, a stocker and a 2276 with your choice of goodies. You can swap them out in a couple of hours.

If you can afford to live in the Bay Area, you can buy two engines. Smile

Rome · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:32 am Post subject:

Sorry to hear of your engine mishap; your car looks very nice. I know your pain; a mild 1600 dual-port that I built from scratch, though with many good/serviceable used parts, blew up on me after less than 300 miles. Have not investigated yet what happened. My success is way down building VW engines, even mild ones.

I'd also recommend Berg's dipstick oil temperature warning "stick" which flickers the oil warning light in the speedo (the one on the right) when the oil temp gets above about 220F. This may not prevent a situation like you just experienced, but certainly is another visual clue for prevention.

I see no reason why a well tuned stock 1500/1600 cannot maintain "75mph", and would not hesitate to do so.

Have you notified your engine builder of this damage?

The GoldenGate chapter of the vintage VW Club of America is very active in the Bay area; actually down in the San Jose area. They meet monthly and have several people who are excellent in building dependable, stock engines. That is the club which puts on the Kelley Park meet in San Jose mid-April.

BirdLives · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject:

Hey, thanks for all the advice guys. I think at this point I'm just going to build it back to stock but with a dual-relief case, cw crank and full-flow. It will have to be as the budget allows which at this point may mean after I sell the ghia.

BirdLives · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject:

DrDarby · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject:

I'm with Bill on stamping a new case with your numbers if you want to be "purist". While it is all apart and you are building from scratch I would build it a 1776cc, have a set of single port heads opened up to 041 specs and ported, use an Engle 100 cam ( due to single carb) and run a counter weighted crank. Everything will work fine with a late model doghouse oil cooler & fan housing, you'll need a late front breastplate tin & the various bits of ducting. I have a customer running this spec 1776 that I built 15 years and 150,000 miles ago and aside from a valve job with guides and new rings for good measure at 115,000 miles it is still going strong.
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