HVLP Painting - Color

[scottjk]

I shot paint for the first time yesterday and I have to say that I'm real happy with the results. I got a couple runs but wet sanding them out was easy.

I used Dupont Centari single stage acrylic enamel. The shop that mixed it for me couldn't have been more dead on the color. It panel blended perfectly. The beauty of this paint is that it sets real quick so if you are doing it outside, like me, you don't get a lot of futz in the paint.

DevilBiss makes a starter HVLP set for just over $100 that comes with 2 guns. If I can lay paint this well the first time these guns must be good.

http://www.amazon.com/Devilbiss-Starting-Line-HVLP...amp;sr=8-1

Scott
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1985 Westfalia 2.5L EJ

[Terry Kay]

Personally, I don't care much for the HVLP guns.
Why?
Poor finished product, too much work after the application to get the paint slick.

Even HVLP primer guns are a pain --they lay the material on so it looks like / feels like concrete block.
It's a bunch more work to a get smooth prep finish easy.

I just bought a SATA primer gun, and had to buy a nozzle 4 times as large as the one that came with it so I could get some material outa the end of it so it would lay flat.
That's almost 500 bucks for a primer gun--not happy.

The Centari you could have made flow flat a little better, especially in the heat if you had used slower reducer.

The mid temp reducer caused the paint to set up like almost right now.

Between the mid temp reducer,the heat and the spitting HVLP gun, you must have had a hell of a time getting the paint to lay flat without any dry spots.

You got the runs becasue you were trying to get a slick Johnny one coat finish--and over compenstate for the paint setting up fast.

Hindsight--you should have picked up a Binks #7 gun ( even used ) for the paint job.

As you blow the paint on--you can see yourself in the reflection off of the body panals--this is good--
Two passes and you got a nice slick paint job--and little or no sanding & rubbing at the end of the day.

HVLP doesn't thrill me for an easy, good looking finished product.

It makes a bunch more work to get the same finish as the Binks would have in two passes of product.

Oh-well--
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T.K.

[Christopher Schimke]

[scottjk]

Like I said, I'm happy with the results so that is all that matters. I did about 5 areas and only got runs on one which sanded out easily with 800 grit. I'll flow another coat on today to finish it up.

Scott
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1985 Westfalia 2.5L EJ

[wavanagon]

Hey scottjk, congrats! It is very rewarding, isn't it? I was amazed at how much I enjoyed spraying my poptop when I did it a month or so ago. I was also amazed at how good it turned out. It is very rewarding and if I had the space (some day), I would paint my own van.

Sounds like your gun was much higher end than mine! I think I got my 2 gun pack at Lowes for $30 on clearance! After doing it w/ a cheap gun, I'm convinced that if you follow the data sheets, get your mixtures right, and take your time, you will get good results. I am proof.

http://wavanagon.googlepages.com/87westfaliapoptoppaint
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1988 Vanagon GL - For Sale
1987 Westfalia
2008 Audi A4 2.0T
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[scottjk]

Nice job on the top. Looks great!

Definitely rewarding when the whole van comes together. The guys at the paint shop thought it was a very cool rig. One guy wanted to buy it.

I'll post pictures later today when I get it finished. We are hitting the road for a windsurfing safari to Oregon tomorrow.

Scott
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1985 Westfalia 2.5L EJ

[Terry Kay]

<<Absolutely 110% false information/operator error...period!>>

I'm sorry.

Your right--I forgot you guys are into the roll & brush look.
Anything you can spit the paint on with must be a 200% improvement.

My mistake.

Oh--and don't plan on sanding and buffing on that Centari single stage paint too much after you get the final coat on.

You'll cut most the skin off of it and it'll chaulk out in a couple of months.


Loogy--you don't know what in the hell your talking about regarding high quality refinishing equipment, or laying a decent finish on a vehicle.

A 30 dollar spit gun ain't gonna make it.

You should stick with your roller & brush paint jobs---same end result.
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T.K.

[1621]

[westylife]

Terry Kay,

Why do you feel the need to always put people down? I don’t think Scott cares about the money you spend on parts or how much you are always right, how you do the best jobs of everyone on the samba or that everyone else on the samba only does the bare minimum. I'm pretty sure about 50% of the people who enjoy this forum are just about sick of you and wish someone would finally ask you to leave.

I have bought stuff from you before and have felt the wrath of the ultimate Terry Kay over the phone. Remember when you SCREAMED at me over the phone because I could not read your photocopied instructions? Probably not, I’m just one of the many I’m sure. Nice customer support. Don’t sell anything if you can’t provide customer support.

Now I'm sure you are going to write back and put me down, call me dumb when I ask others questions but its ok. How about you just not chime in unless it’s to actually help someone. I guess that’s just your nature and we should all just say "that’s just the kind of guy he is" right?

Now back to the question about which is a better paint gun, oh wait there wasn’t a question about paint guns.

Congrats Scott! Keep up the good work I’m looking forward to seeing the pictures. And you are 100% correct. All that matters is that YOU like it.

Westylife
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1983.5 Westfalia Bostig RG1

[riceye]

[HeftySmurf]

Terry is a sad old man
A big pussy in my opinion, all bark and no bite
Given the chance I'd like to plant my foot in his ass, pull it out then insert it in to the black hole he calls his mouth.
He is nothing, thus why he feels the need to put every one down.
When push came to shove he was little bitch when I called him out..... Going on 60+ pms on my recap on his dipshitness.
No one likes you Terry, you don't even appear to like vanagons, just ripping people off and belittling them
I wish I couldve seen his face when the seniour VP of Hi Lift jack called him out on his misrepping of his products and copyright infringement...
Like a little girl with his tail between his legs.
Priceless
Terry my invitation always stands to go to lunch and handle it.....
You are bag of hot air and a fraud.....
Don't care how much you claim to know.... You are a worm and a snake with no respect or testicles.......

If you havebt seen my feed back on him check it out

A walking contradiction.....
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-Lorenzo
90 GL w/ Bostig

[?Waldo?]

[HeftySmurf]

I wouldn't run him over
I'd repeatidly punch him in his big mouth
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-Lorenzo
90 GL w/ Bostig

[ahollon]

Good job Scott on the paint job. I would be to nervous to try painting my van outside or anywhere really.
Shout out to my man Westylife keeping it real in AK. See you in a week.
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84 Westy

[Sir Sam]

If you know how to paint with an HVLP gun and how to setup the gun correctly you will have no trouble shooting a glossy run free finish that needs no wetsanding.
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'91 Carat Westy

87' Syncro + '87 Westy conversion coming soon

[Sir Sam]

[Terry Kay]

<<Why do you feel the need to always put people down?>>

I wan't putting anybody down.
I said; an HVLP gun makes more work to get a descent job at the finish line.
And comparitively speaking an pressure gun can make your life easier.
That's the bottom line.
And you an buy a $25.00 presure gun that will run circles aronund an HVLP.

<< I don’t think Scott cares about the money you spend on parts or how much you are always right,>>

What in th hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Nada.


<<I have felt the wrath of the ultimate Terry Kay over the phone. Remember when you SCREAMED at me over the phone because I could not read your photocopied instructions?>>

No I don't.
I ask for E-mails to solve problems.
Folks can't read script english.

I work for a living.
Maybe you don't--or have a lot of time on yor hands.
Mid day with a Caterpiller D-6 oil pan giving me hell coming off, and the stupid phome is ringing.
It could have been my kids, it could have been a supplier--
That particular day it really didn't make any difference who called.

Yep--you caught hell just like everybody else did.
--You wern't the only idiot on the phone.

<< I’m just one of the many I’m sure. Nice customer support.>>

Perfect for the timing.
An E-mail when I get home, as instucted works very well.

<< Don’t sell anything if you can’t provide customer support.>>

I give plenty of customer support when the customer follows simple instuctions.
It ain't all that difficult.

<<Now I'm sure you are going to write back and put me down,>>

You put yourself down here, for not paying attention.

<<Now back to the question about which is a better paint gun, oh wait there wasn’t a question about paint guns.>>

No there wasn't.

BUT the idea that there was a bunch of runs came into view as the high volume gun was putting out high volume not much fine mist spray as a pressure gun would have .

You missed that part of the fine print.
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T.K.

[McVanagon]

[Christopher Schimke]

[Terry Kay]

My opnion's on painting equipment & techniques expand way beyond the keyboard of the internet.

I've been refihishing Semis--Award winning trucks for Mack Truck of Chicago--besides private fleets.
A few have been in calendars---
And have been doing it for 33 years.

Now--Loogy, you wanna expound on the evolution of refinshing material's too?

I can go there besides the gun technology--

Born & bred with a Bink's #7, have two 2001's , one on a 5 gallon Binks pressure pot, Delvibis, & Sharpe are my back up guns.
Have an Optima & a Sata ( which is junk ) primer gun's.
Have a Binks electrostatic system for long semi trailer's & heavy equipment.

I suggested that with the proper gun, and the proper technique,, you can come out with an almost rub out proof paint job.
(Minus the dust and arm hairs)

Any painter with any experience knows this, and the paint supply houses will tell you this.
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T.K.