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jsnow
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 Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: How much motor will it take.. |
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To beat the run of the mill Mustang, and ricers. I would like to start building a motor soon for my 67 Sq. Should I go for the T4 conversion? This car is my daily driver so it can't be outrageous. I just want to show the boys in the 'stangs and Hondas' what's up. Nothing like getting beat in four banger station wagon.
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Tram
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: How much motor will it take.. |
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| jsnow wrote: |
| To beat the run of the mill Mustang, and ricers. I would like to start building a motor soon for my 67 Sq. Should I go for the T4 conversion? This car is my daily driver so it can't be outrageous. I just want to show the boys in the 'stangs and Hondas' what's up. Nothing like getting beat in four banger station wagon. |
If that kind of stuff bothers you, the problem is yours, not the car's.
Seriously. 
The boys in the stangs and Hondas already know what's up. they know that a 40 year old stock VW will still be eating up the pavement at 70 MPH decades after their POS Stangs and jap scrap is landfill.
Why try to make it something it isn't?
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Godsbug
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If it really bothers you, I have a complete injected 2.0 914 engine and 5 speed trans with all the disc brakes and suspension off the car I'll sell you and you'll be halfway there!
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67stang302
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Hey why do you have to hate on the Stang's......... Unless of course you are talking about the newer models.
I personally like the type four conversion looks almost factory when done right (fuel injected)
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wakywaco
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Honestly you better have a pretty serious power plant to mess with even the mildest of 5.0 stangs. Type IIIs are heavy pigs, and even with powerfull motors they will come up short against most stangs, making 250-300hp. Having owned over 25 latemodel stangs, I can tell you they are very easy to make quik. My 93 right now is a pretty stock car with a cold air kit, cam and exhasut and runs low 12s without a struggle.
If your looking to go fast in a VW, you may wanna rethink it and buy a beetle. The extra weight of a type III kills them. I had a 1967 beetle a few years back with a 1968cc stroker, 45 dells etc, and it ran 12.00 flats and put a hurting on many street stangs, LS1 f bodies etc. The same motor in my 65 notch couldnt beat an S10 pickup 
If your dead set on beating some latemodel stang, call Jason At VWPARADISE, they can help. they had that black notch that was a heavy pig, and it ran 10s. Be prepared to spend some money, and break some parts though.  |
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vwfye
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a 1776cc with really good heads, carbs and exhaust will blow away a 5.sl0w
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67stang302
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| a 1776cc with really good heads, carbs and exhaust will blow away a 5.sl0w |
I don't know about that..... my bug with a 1776 044 heads and an engle cam with other hipo goodies (I don't feel like giving a detailed list) I had dual weber 44's and that thing would only turn low 14's.
My mustang when it had the little 302 with victor heads and a carb intake and exhaust pulled solid 13's, Now the new stroked 302 to a 347 with the same heads 750 cfm carb tunnel ram intake full fogger system and 2.5 exhaust pulled a low 11. With the new tranny I'm hoping to shave a little time.
But this winter is all about a big type 4 for my bug. I know I'll hear crap about this post but your gonna need alot of motor to move your Sqaure. I know My 68 is slooooow and my buddy's with a 1776 is nothing to write home about.
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73notch
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you are gunna need 200 + hp.
Kinda hard to get that reliably out of a vw engine. I would build a relatively mild 2 liter, with a 90.5 bore, and then turbo it with FI.
But thats gunna cost a fortune. you could buy an extra mustang to beat ur friends with that cash.
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vwfye
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stang... you aren't comparing the vw to an even close to stock mustang. a 1775 with heads (sorry, non worked 044s aren't high flowing heads) will take care of a 5.0L stocker mustang. if you are running 44s with 044 heads, you might have a whooping 120hp.
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wakywaco
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| vwfye wrote: |
| a 1776cc with really good heads, carbs and exhaust will blow away a 5.sl0w |
I don't know about that..... my bug with a 1776 044 heads and an engle cam with other hipo goodies (I don't feel like giving a detailed list) I had dual weber 44's and that thing would only turn low 14's.
My mustang when it had the little 302 with victor heads and a carb intake and exhaust pulled solid 13's, Now the new stroked 302 to a 347 with the same heads 750 cfm carb tunnel ram intake full fogger system and 2.5 exhaust pulled a low 11. With the new tranny I'm hoping to shave a little time.
But this winter is all about a big type 4 for my bug. I know I'll hear crap about this post but your gonna need alot of motor to move your Sqaure. I know My 68 is slooooow and my buddy's with a 1776 is nothing to write home about. |
who built that 347? that is way slow for that motor. I ran 9.40s with my daily driven 5.slow 347 93 coupe with only a 150 shot. maybe its the air where your at  |
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wakywaco
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| stang... you aren't comparing the vw to an even close to stock mustang. a 1775 with heads (sorry, non worked 044s aren't high flowing heads) will take care of a 5.0L stocker mustang. if you are running 44s with 044 heads, you might have a whooping 120hp. |
I think youve been watching too much tv. Im a vw lover, have been since the early 80s, and have built some damn fast dubs, but the average 1776 will not beat the average mustang running around. By average I mean that just about every stanger on the streets has modified his car in one way or another. 10 second daily driven mustangs are everywhere, and bone stock 5.0s can easily run deep in the low 13 second 1/4 mile e/t's. Where most mustangs loose is from a dead stop race against a car that tranfers weight and moves, while the isiot in the mustang is spinning tires. Spin them tires, the other car leaves, and you look like a fool with your tires going up in smoke. I raced a brand new corvette ZR1 back in I think 1991 it was with my 1835 bug, and smoked him off the line, thru the light, and into 3rd, where he finaly got traction. By that time I already let out, and looked like the winner.
My next VW is getting a turnkey turbocharged stroker form VW Paradise, and I expect 9s out of it.
I wonder what mostpeople with VWs think is a fast car nowdays  14 15 second 1/4 mile e/ts |
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Adaze1
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject: Fast type 3 |
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I have a 2017 in my buggy now. Back in the 80's and 90's it was in my uncut 67 fastback. Custom heads, custom ground cam (isky) and 48's trans by pelican. About 9k total in the engine and trans. I could smoke most of the american iron in the 1/8 mile bad enough they would let up. They were not smart enough to stay in it and get me at the end of the 1/4. Don't give up it can be done. Oh by the way my fast was my driver. got 4.5 mpg a little harder to drive every day now with these gas prices. Built that engine in 1985 and beat the tar out of it. Put new bearings in it in 2005. Just showed the high schoolers how to do donughts the right way this sat.
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59 vw guy
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Gotta agree with the want to go fast better put the engine in a bug.. my 59 bug had a 2110 and it would haul ass but i was always scared on the long trips in it for the reliability fact..
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FASTBACKDON
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my 1776 is a weenie motor no cam but can hold its own
you might think about a 1914 all the good stuff inside big webers or turbo. I laugh at the ricers or stangs I am driving in style they think they are that is enough for me. Research motors and H.P. tranny combos. |
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Russ Wolfe
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Do people know that a man on foot can beat about any car out of the hole, for about the first 100 feet. While they sit there and spin their tires, you are gone. Did that back in the 60's and took a braggert $50 real fast. Raced him the length of the pumps at a 2 island filling station.
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70fasty
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I was doing 50-60mph ish. This is a 650hp 68 Camero. We did a couple shots but this is the best vs my 63 notch. Funny stuff |
What's a Camero?
Cool video though
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notchboy
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Camaro. Well I was runnin a stock 1500 cc single port sid draft motor. My cousins motor costs as much as my car Unless you do some serious weight reduction and plop down some $ for a serious moror for your T3-the American cars will eat you up. As far as light to light, you have a chance till they get a clue on how to race you ass. And as for the ricers, they can increase the speed with bolt on stuff and still eat you for lunch.
It can be done. But you need to open your wallet
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70fasty
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| And as for the ricers, they can increase the speed with bolt on stuff and still eat you for lunch. |
True but most "Ricers" Just buy a cold air intake, a fart can, and a wing and think they are fast. Most of them driving around don't have any real power, I've seen my fair share of street racing and 90% of the imports out there have any real power, most of the ones that are actually packing some punch dont use it on the street either.
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