Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic

[Bryan67]

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[consvws]

The people complaining about the Mango bug just like shiny new stuff & are scared of a little rust. I've met many people like that, they think a car with rust is just going to disintegrate before your eyes. You should see what your shiny POS "restored" beetle looked like before someone hosed it down with your favorite color, lol.
This car looks to be sporting all its original doors, hood, decklid, & fenders. I like that. Most older beetles i've seen have had those parts replaced at some point. Hell even most late model beetles have too
One last thing..... where are you guys getting rebuilt turnkey 36hp engines so cheap??? The car is worth $5-6k???? He might as well part the car out i guess!

[Sharp64]

[consvws]

I'd say it got personal with the seller when you called his car a $5k car. You must just know how to find really good deals, good for you.... I'd buy this car in a second for $5k, but i'm broke & already have a beetle to care for.

Anyway isn't there a $20,000 1964 that actually deserves to be whined about? Is this the whiners thread?

[sehilliard1]

I take no offense to the criticism. I've only be watching markets on the early big window cars for the last year or so, trying to finish mine and price it somewhere in reality. My knowledge is limited, that why I'm here.

I've been a split bus guy for many years and have found that the ones that appeal to me most are the ones that previous owners have NOT messed with in anyway. I'm not comparing buses to bugs, that debate in the eyes of the market is OVER.

I would disagree that painted, restored cars are POS's. I think they can be done nicely and professionally in away that helps preserve the car for another whole life time. Let's not forget that this is the end we are all shooting for. Certainly, you can hide a lot of body work with a paint job. You can easily ad aftermarket fenders, etc. and without some very skilled eyes those actions can go unnoticed.

I would second the idea, that the "whines" ought to be reserved for the cars that are priced outside of reality, the ads that have poor pictures, the ads where the vehicle is still on the trailer posted by the flipper, and the ads that bear false witness to the cars value or condition. I raised the question as to which of those criteria my ad falls into. I would suggest that due to the healthy back and forth, unsolicited defenders and passionate opposition, that my price is right about where I want it to be.

Someone once said: "You can always come down in price."

I'm not afraid of honest good faith negotiating.

[wcfvw69]

I don't think anyone attacked the seller for his $13k asking price at all. I think we gave our opinions on why we think it's priced high. I am spoiled living in Arizona. Original SW USA VW's here have zero rust or we can move over a state or two to look for other VW's.

One thing I'll fall on the sword for is not recognizing this 60's location. Yes, I would agree you could add $2k to the price due to it being in the rust belt. So, that brings it to $7k.

I bought my original paint, original everything 67 bug out of Los Angeles. Zero rust and only very minor primer coming through in a couple of spots. It needed less than $200 dollars in parts to make it a reliable driver. I paid $5500 for it. The interior carpet was worn but original. The seats had covers on them and I've since installed new, correct seat covers. I also repainted it the original color as I'm not a fan of patina or worn paint jobs.

My contention is a lot of the people in the market for a classic 50's-60's-70's VW are folks in their 40's, 50's and 60's. They are like me in that they drove a beater VW back in HS or college. They want to relive their youth in a stock VW that looks like it was delivered when new not like when they were broke kids. They have the disposable income to buy one of these restored VW's or a very nice original VW that only needs a wax job.

The other issue on the pricing is it's 'The Samba price' vs. craigslist, swap meet pricing or other local papers. Most things listed here are considerably higher priced than you find locally. I see used prices for parts on The Samba classifieds that are massively higher than I see at swap meets.

I hope the seller gets his price. I personally wouldn't be a buyer based on the year and it's appearance.
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[hitest]

Simply put, the mango beetle just doesn't have enough OG anything to be priced in 5 figures. Sure, the engine's great. But the folks who have a car like that these days are finding them with much more original paint- and they're scouring the swap meets and obtaining NICE OG interiors. That car's got 3 main things wrong with it that will make topping $7500 very difficult:

It's got too much rust- so it will scare away a restorer.
It does not have enough clean original paint and interior bits to satisfy today's "patina" hound.
It has no sunroof.
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[borna428]

[hitest]

[sehilliard1]

Sounds like you're suggesting that original German parts add some sort of value to a car??

[Sharp64]

[Busstom]

[borna428]

[hitest]

Fair for that car might be around 8k where you are. I don't know. But when I encounter a seller who tries to pass things off and guild the lilly- the car goes down in value. In this case a white, non-sunroof big window car does not excite me. It is clear you want very badly for folks to support you in buying this one beetle. There are more fish in the sea in my opinion.

You admit to being newer at the game. Please be patient- read and learn. Take notes and attend a show or two. The worst advice is fro folks to say- "sure, if you like it and the story the seller spews, buy it!" But they are doing you a disservice and likely would not buy the car for themselves. Here's what I've seen many times. Guy checks out car- new 'friends' go nuts and sell him on it, and later guy realizes he bought the wrong car. The guy then is turned off to the hobby because of poor advice- and thinks VW people are flakes. That would suck.


By the way- I don't know what insurance co. you used for your pricing index- but it is not relevant to prices for which these cars actually sell. The ratings of conditions are unrealistic. $18k buys the best white, non-sunroof big window beetle on the planet- with a helluva lot of upgrades. 8k should have a sunroof- or at least be painted a color.
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[vamram]

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$20K???
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[jimdubs]

I can only assume that a junk 68 Rambler must be worth over $7300 given the value of the Bug he's selling! Craigslist dreamer

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/kannapolis-63-vw-beetle-68-american/6790683765.html

[finster]

^^^ the owner seems to be handy with a grinder/cutter!

[jays58s]

One owner and low miles? Doubtful...

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2243388