type 1 conversion (calling Jake)

miniman82 · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: type 1 conversion (calling Jake)

I'm crossing over!
Picked up a type IV 2.0L (GE005743 case)today for $100 complete today, and it's gonna need a rebuild. I plan on using one of Jake's kits, and converting it to upright cooling to go in my Beetle.
I'm just wondering what I need to order to complete the conversion, and I didn't want to just start buying stuff I don't need.
I already know I need the DTM conversion shroud, the conversion flywheel, new P+C's, a cam+lifters, exhaust and a gasket set, but beyond that, I don't really know. Budget is around $2600, any guidance is appreciated in advance.

krusher · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:29 am Post subject:

good luck on thst budget. Wink

Oldkoot · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:58 am Post subject:

Get the heads rebuilt (Headflow masters or Hoffman Automotive), a set of carbs(either 40 drla dells or webber 44idf), a set of manifolds, a type 1 alternator. Also check out the Shoptalk Forums website. Lots of info about type 4 conversions. Good luck with your project. Cool

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Jake Raby · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:57 am Post subject:

If the engine is in good shape you can do the conversion for that budget..

BUT I'd do a minimum to the engine just to get it up to standard and go from there after its in the car..

I'd do rod bearings, rings and have the heads looked at by a specialist, if you listen to the latest 4th Dimension Radio show ou can take advantage of a GOOD deal on head work from Len Hoffman..

Listen to ALL the 4th Dimension shows to date, you'll benefit in amazing ways!
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miniman82 · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject:

I'll look into getting the heads done, they looked pretty good though.

nextgen · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject:

Hey I just saved you some money--you don't need a Flywheel conversion!! Just keep the Flywheel and clutch. AHHHHHHHHHHHH unless it is a 1700 914 engine then you need a VW T-4 flywheel, clutch and fit a T-1 pilot bearing in the flywheel.

But if it is a VW T-4 you don't need anything to bolt up, you got it.

As for your budget, doing the heads and doing some simple stuff like Jake said. You can do it. Things like carbs you can't include because you would have to get them to do a T-1 engine anyway.

Keep us informed, this will be a good low budget to track. A stock 1700 goes like a T-1 2.0 and your engine will be a tad above stock 1700 t-4.

Do listen to the Radio shows. Very interesting for any Air cooled guy. I loved the Carb show.
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miniman82 · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject:

Hmmm. Very interesting. I did a quick google search for type 4 flywheels and came up with this:http://www.tunacan.net/t4/tech/flywheel.htm

So apparently, if the vehicle I got the engine from was a VW, then I should be golden. The guy I bought it from said it came from a 'terrorist vehicle', and when I told him that sounds like a transporter he said 'yeah, that's the one.'
So basically, as long as I dont have the 228mm version I should be good to go.

miniman82 · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject:

BTW, the engine will be fuel injected, so no, I won't need to buy carbs. Very Happy

Oldkoot · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject:

The stock injection will not fit on the DTM. Carbs are the cheapest option. You can use fuel injection but it alone will blow your budget and then some. I think you need to do more research on the DTM. I would use your cylinders and pistons if they are in good shape and just put in a set if rings. That will save you a few bucks. Manifolds will cost about $65 and a set of 40 drla Dells will cost $375 from Ebay from a seller Alpha1750. He has a good rep from what I have heard. Keep looking around at shoptalkforums.com and the samba, there's alot of info to be had.
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Jake Raby · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:42 am Post subject:

I make the mods to your flywheel for 40 bucks, or sell one already modified and surfaced for 140.00

The stock EFI will not work with the DTM, as mentioned above- carbs are cheap!
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nextgen · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:54 am Post subject:

As for the 228mm verision Flywheel, some guy say they fit right in.

Now that is some surface area for a clutch, ha.
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Jake Raby · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:52 am Post subject:

The 228 requires some pretty serious grindage in the bellhouse area... It will fit, BUT isn't worth the hassle in my opinion..

The other issue is the starter, the 228 requires a different starter than the standard TI or 210-215mm Bus flywheels do..
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tuna · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject:

To use a 228 flywheel/clutch in a Type 1 transaxle, attention has to be focused on the height of the pressure plate in relation to the bellhousing. The pressure plate is larger over a greater area, so it has a tendency to interfere with the sloping parts of the tranny's bellhousing.
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