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danbar
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Thanks! Clearly you are smarter than I as I didn't think to leave the last digit off. 
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benandmj
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Just picked up 4 of these bad boys for $75...
Probably some of the most common MB wheels on Vanagons, but I'm still looking for confirmation here on how to get the best fit. They are ET37. I'll drill the holes out, 7mm spacers up front and none in the back? Small ball bolts in front and nuts in back?
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Mark Lewalski
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I am not having much luck in finding either the CLK 320 or the Audi 5 spoke rims. I haven't tried to look for the rims shown above but would use them if I could find them.
Can someone help me learn what terms to use when searching for these various rims? I'd like them in the 16" size. I have started using Search Tempest in an area 300 miles around my home.
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Mark
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chojinchef
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I am not having much luck in finding either the CLK 320 or the Audi 5 spoke rims. I haven't tried to look for the rims shown above but would use them if I could find them.
Can someone help me learn what terms to use when searching for these various rims? I'd like them in the 16" size. I have started using Search Tempest in an area 300 miles around my home.
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What's your budget? There is a set of clk wheels listed on Tampa CL with tires for 500. Chances are the tires are under rated for weight of VW. Better finding a wheels only ad.
There is also this ad:
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/pts/3678547928.html
Was down in Tampa this week. Usual hotel routine to check out CL for local deals.
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Tomasz
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there are two sets of CLK320s in Orlando junk yards (look it up at http://car-part.com/ and call them), they are out there especially in your area
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I am not having much luck in finding either the CLK 320 or the Audi 5 spoke rims. I haven't tried to look for the rims shown above but would use them if I could find them.
Can someone help me learn what terms to use when searching for these various rims? I'd like them in the 16" size. I have started using Search Tempest in an area 300 miles around my home.
Thanks,
Mark |
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Christopher Schimke
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Just picked up 4 of these bad boys for $75...
Probably some of the most common MB wheels on Vanagons, but I'm still looking for confirmation here on how to get the best fit. They are ET37. I'll drill the holes out, 7mm spacers up front and none in the back? Small ball bolts in front and nuts in back?
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Assuming that they are the 15x6.5 version of that wheel (there is a 15x7 version as well, so double check this as the hardware will be different) and assuming 205 tires are used (215 and larger will definitely require spacers to avoid tire to upper control arm contact), you could install them without spacers front or rear, but the front will be very, very tight. You would still need small ball seat front lug bolts, small ball seat rear lug nuts and a set of longer rear wheel studs. However, the center caps won’t fit because the hubs/grease caps protrude about 18mm from the face of the wheel. Adding 18mm spacers is not recommended because it puts the wheels too far outside of the ideal offset of 30mm. The ideal spacer thickness is 7mm, but that still doesn’t allow the center caps to fit. You could add our custom caps that are made for Mercedes wheels though. They can accommodate up to 14mm worth of center cap protrusion.
While you could get away without any spacers on the rear, I always recommend at least matching the spacer thickness front and rear and sometimes we suggest thicker spacers on the rear compared to the front. The reason for this is due to the fact that the 2wd Vanagon’s rear track width is 16mm narrower than the front. Adding spacers to the front and not the rear only exaggerates this further.
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backyard_cnc
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Does anyone recognize this wheel? I've got two on the back of my syncro and the fronts are eurovan steelies. I like the look of them, I'd like them even better if I could track down a 16" set but for now I'd love to find two more. They are 15x6, I tried searching for the part number on the wheel but nothing came up. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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yup shows up as T4 wheels with ET55. Sure doesn't look like a whole lot of thread in those lug nuts! |
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backyard_cnc
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So I got all my new hardware from T3 and got a set of spacers locally thru the classified ads and I was taking a look at it all today. Since the spacers have a shoulder that fits into the alloy wheel hub to keep the spacer with the wheel when its removed and that means the centerbore of the spacer is reduced to allow for this, I guess the front hub dust cap must be removed each time you remove or install the front wheels ? I assume this is normal for guys running alloys with spacers?
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Christopher Schimke
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Front hub dust caps??? |
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So I got all my new hardware from T3 and got a set of spacers locally thru the classified ads and I was taking a look at it all today. Since the spacers have a shoulder that fits into the alloy wheel hub to keep the spacer with the wheel when its removed and that means the centerbore of the spacer is reduced to allow for this, I guess the front hub dust cap must be removed each time you remove or install the front wheels ? I assume this is normal for guys running alloys with spacers?
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Hi Gerald,
The spacers that we offer are ever so slightly undersized so that they are a very nice slip fit within the centerbore. This allows the wheel to be removed while the spacers stays in place and the grease caps aren't affected. You could remove a very small amount of material from the lips on yours to create the same situation. You would also remove the lip from the grease caps since the bodies of the grease caps are a slightly smaller diameter than the hub.
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backyard_cnc
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Thanks chris,
So are you saying that the front spacer simply stays on the hub under the cap and isn,t removed with the wheel? I thought having them stay with the wheel was the idea especially on the front to keep the holes aligned and make it easier to get the lug bolts in.
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Christopher Schimke
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Hi Gerald,
Speaking only about our spacers, building them to fit the hub tightly, keeping the spacers on the hub prevents issues with the center caps and still accomplishes the goal of centering the wheels for both balance issues as well as aiding in lug installation.
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backyard_cnc
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Thanks chris, i understand what you are saying now. I guess really for the limited number of times the wheels go on and off, even if I have to pull the dusts caps its no big deal. Now if the snow would go away and nicer weather get here I might actually get stated.
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backyard_cnc
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Well I chucked up a front hub dust cap on the lathe today and turned the diameter down by just over a mm and I also bored out my spacers by about 1.5mm so and now I have lots of clearance for the wheels to go on and off the front hubs and the spacer stays with the wheel. I also thinned out the 15mm spacer thickness to 10mm and shot a little bit of video that can be viewed on youtube here: http://youtu.be/NAEdBZbnlus
Heres a pic of the spacer and dustcap and also a pic of the spacers showing before and after. And my wife said spending $3k on a lathe was a waste of money, women what do they know!
I sure do appreciate the fine people and all the help and information that can be found on the forum.
cheers
Gerald
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Uber-S-S6
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:15 pm Post subject: 17x8.5 ET55 audi rims on 1990 vanagon |
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What size spacers and studs (would like to convert standard front brakes/drums rear)?
also would like to offset the rear with wider spacers to match front trak. |
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backyard_cnc
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Spacer size and stud length will be dependant upon your wheel choice. Find wheels first, assess if they are suitable and then. Calculate required spacers and stud requirement. Every install can be slightly different.
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Uber-S-S6
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:13 pm Post subject: I Have the wheels,just need studs and spacers |
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17x8.5 ET 55 is the size of the wheels on all four corners.
Just would like to match the back to the fronts due to narrow track in the rear. |
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backyard_cnc
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I,m no expert but 8.5" wheels sounds like an aweful lot of wheel for the front of a vanagon! Hope you have power steering as I bet turning the steering lock to lock when stopped is gonna be a chore
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chojinchef
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I,m no expert but 8.5" wheels sounds like an aweful lot of wheel for the front of a vanagon! Hope you have power steering as I bet turning the steering lock to lock when stopped is gonna be a chore
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Yep. I can attest to this fact. My DC trip has my forearms looking like Popeye's due to 18x8's with 255/45 tires and no power steering.
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Uber-S-S6
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Yes, I have power steering and it's not a problem,just trying to fit them on.
Nice rims from Germany made by KW. |
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70coupyel
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The difference is 15-16mm on a 2wd. 7-10 mm per side in the rear is needed.
I think from what I remember read here over 8'' wide in the front of a 2wd is not preferred.
In the rear the sliding door come into play.
Edit: here is a post about a 8.5 in the rear
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2542449&highlight=et55#2542449
Learn to search. A lot of info here.
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