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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

Christopher Schimke wrote:
For those Tiguan wheels above, you will need to go one of a few ways.

1) Machine the centers of the wheels to 66.56mm and bolt them onto the stock studs with new small ball seat lug nuts.

2) Grind the lip down on the front hubs to clear the wheels and bolt them onto the stock studs with new small ball seat lug nuts.

3) Install 5mm spacers along with new (longer) studs and small ball seat lug nuts.

The center caps will fit on the front, but not the rear, even with the correct thickness spacers in place.


Thanks. I appreciate you listing all the options to get this style wheel on a syncro (and all the information you have offered on this great thread.)

You have any information on the load rating of this style of Tiguan alloy?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

For those Tiguan wheels above, you will need to go one of a few ways.

1) Machine the centers of the wheels to 66.56mm and bolt them onto the stock studs with new small ball seat lug nuts.

2) Grind the lip down on the front hubs to clear the wheels and bolt them onto the stock studs with new small ball seat lug nuts.

3) Install 5mm spacers along with new (longer) studs and small ball seat lug nuts.

The center caps will fit on the front, but not the rear, even with the correct thickness spacers in place.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:56 am    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

Is this Tiguan wheel suitable for an '87 Syncro Westfalia? I found some that have already had center bore modification to 66.7mm. It is 16x6.5 ET33.
I cannot find load rating, and don't know what other issue may be lurking.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:04 am    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

jerryherb, those look great! Thanks for the info. They look similar to the syncro 16 wheels. Are the syncro 16s even available anymore?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

these are quite hefty. shipping weight was 35lbs each including the box. the material appears thicker than stock vw steel wheels
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

They are not light wheels. Close to 30 lbs IIRC.

The load rating I have seen for them is 1500 lbs.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

Thanks jerryherb for the photos and this 16"x6.5" steel option!

I inquired via ebay to tire_nation about their specs for "(4) Pacer 60683B FWD BLACK MOD 16X6.5 5X105/5X112 67.00 Hub +41 Black Wheel Rim"
I asked:
What is the load rating for each wheel?
What is the weight of each wheel?

And here's what I got back from their Customer Service Team:
"Thank you for your email inquiry. Unfortunately, we don't have the load rating nor weight of this wheel at this time. We are currently working hard on obtaining information from our vendors. If you have any further questions or concerns, feel free to contact us."
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

16" Pacers/w caps w/ Nokian C-line on my AC westy. installed 5mm spacers on front and rear just in case, no rubbing, they appear to fit perfectly. had to enlarge the center holes slightly to fit the caps in (about 1mm)

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

Hi to all,

I have an opportunity to buy Ronal R9 15x7 ET35 for my vanagon 2WD.

Would it fit direct, or should I put a 5 mm spacer on the front?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

i used the stock STEEL wheel nuts and aftermarket (14x1.5 - 33 mm shank) 10.9 bolts for the front with the 8mm spacer. stock bolts are fine if no spacer is used. unfortunately modern bolts are 17mm where original VW are 19mm wrench size so two wheel wrenches will be needed from now on in case of a flat. when i say steel wheel nuts/bolts i mean acorn/round tip, not cone.

regarding the spare, no it will not fit the new wheel fully inflated at this time, missing by about 2 inches. i have not tried deflating, nor replacing the stock mounting spring that holds the spare cover pan and tire in place with screws/nylocs. next step would be vancafe extended/lower spare carrier. i never tried putting my alloy rim in there (6") so not sure if the carrier is made to fit only a 14x5.5" as in original steel rim. ill play around with it some more once other work is completed

i'll post pics once i complete all the work. still have the van on the stands while working on CV replacement.

I also got a set of chrome pacer caps (113SD) for under $20 on ebay which were about 1mm larger than pacer rim bore so enlarged the holes slightly (mostly powdercoat and a bit of steel) to make them fit. the rim hole was supposed to be 67mm, caps 2.65" so go figure. they go over the hubs with ease and look shiny Smile

btw the rims are made in the US, the caps - china.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

jerryherb: Thanks for posting on the Pacer 60683B steel rims! Sounds like the affordable wheel I've been waiting for for our '87 syncro westfalia. I am still running OE steel with Hankooks. Look forward to more news, and would really appreciate a photo of one installed!

Have you tried one in your spare tire compartment? 6.5" might squeeze in?

Anyone think this would not work for any reason on a syncro?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:12 am    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

Did you use the stock bolts and nuts to mount the wheels?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

OK, tires arrived today (nokian cline van 205/65r16C 8 plys - $336 for the set), still waiting on valve stems. will probably get these mounted tomorrow or the next day. As i was bored at work today i did some math (because math is fun!) to ponder/entertain the idea of spacers and to compare the original steel rims, original alloys, SA/GW rims and the pacer rims i decided to experiment with.

original steelies are 14x5.5 ET37. this puts them 106.85mm inward and 37.85mm outward of the mating surface of the hub. this is roughly a 73/27 ratio

original alloys are 14x6 ET30. 106.2mm inward, 46.2mm outward. ratio ~70/30

SA/GW (no spacers recommended per GW or VC) 16x7 ET30. 118.9mm inward, 58.9mm outward, ratio 67/33

pacers 16x6.5 ET41. 123.55mm inward, 41.55mm outward. ratio roughly 75/25

this puts pacer's center ratio just under the original steelies and its outer edge about halfway between the original steel and alloy rim. However, pacer rim does sink ~17mm deeper into the wheel well than original steel/alloy, but only 4.65mm further than SA/GW rims.

If one were to get a depth distribution ratio almost exact to that of the original alloys and additional clearance of over 3mm than both GW/SA rims (which do not require spacers) an 8mm spacer could potentially be installed, but would require longer acorn bolts and rear studs as the original steel bolts are awfully short and studs may not be long enough (if one also wants spacers on the rear to widen the track).

So far it still seems like a sweet deal for 16" upgrade on a budget, being under $450 (4 pacers - $209 with 4 nokian entyre 1.0 205/65R16XL - $222 ) AND which fits the GW bigger brakes calipers (2.0, probably 1.0 also, but did not test it with a template as 1.0 is NLA) by a large margin WITHOUT spacers.

Of course this is all theoretical as i did not accommodate for the steel gauge of the material used, nor thickness of powder coating. Will test it shortly and report back.

pics of GW 2.0 template and rims below.

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Update:
so after the install of pacer rims with nokian cline 205/65/16s WITHOUT spacers the clearance to all suspension points comes about 10-12mm at its closest point at full lock, wheel facing outward. closest point is with the upper wishbone (suspension loaded with the weight of the car and at rest). It also appears rubbing slightly on the brake line, again at full lock wheel facing outward where travel speed would be limited (my lines are stainless with additional rubber hose "protectors" i made around them). with 8mm spacers (the kind GW sells) everything is way clear of the rims and tires including the brake lines. I'd say 5mm spacers are probably a good choice for the front. none needed for the rear. will update again after extensive road tests, but so far so good.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

Nah, If both GW 16x7 and SA 16x7 fit without spacers then another 4.65mm inward with a 16x6.5 and probably a narrower and smaller diameter road (not AT) tire should not interfere with anything. I have some 8mm spacers i got back in the day to put on the front just in case, but probably wont need them. If it does rub up i will report back.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

jerryherb wrote:
So it appears the Pacer rims are a decent fit when mounted bare (still waiting on nokian c-lines). the drum 10mm screws do interfere ever so slightly so they need to be removed. the bore being 67mm is a perfect size. i also ordered the pacer through-center caps for them, hope they will fit over the hub hardware. tested with GW rev 2.0 BB template and there is plenty of space, by a large margin, for the GW calipers. 4 rims and caps come in under $230, which seems a much better deal than SA rims of the same size for money conscious buyer. with nokian entyres 1.0 205s (XL) set on clearance one can get a complete 16" wheel upgrade for way under $500. each bare rim weights in at ~35lbs. these are 16x6 so a bit narrower than SA's and the offset is at 41mm as opposed to 30. Once i get the tires mounted will report back whether i get any rubbings in the front, but judging by the new wheel's overall diameter, which is about half inch smaller, i doubt i will have any issues. by my calculations the backside of the wheel/tire will be about 5mm further inside the wheel-well than the same size SA rim.


No mention of spacers. ?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

So it appears the Pacer rims are a decent fit when mounted bare (still waiting on nokian c-lines). the drum 10mm screws do interfere ever so slightly so they need to be removed. the bore being 67mm is a perfect size. i also ordered the pacer through-center caps for them, hope they will fit over the hub hardware. tested with GW rev 2.0 BB template and there is plenty of space, by a large margin, for the GW calipers. 4 rims and caps come in under $230, which seems a much better deal than SA rims of the same size for money conscious buyer. with nokian entyres 1.0 205s (XL) set on clearance one can get a complete 16" wheel upgrade for way under $500. each bare rim weights in at ~35lbs. these are 16x6 so a bit narrower than SA's and the offset is at 41mm as opposed to 30. Once i get the tires mounted will report back whether i get any rubbings in the front, but judging by the new wheel's overall diameter, which is about half inch smaller, i doubt i will have any issues. by my calculations the backside of the wheel/tire will be about 5mm further inside the wheel-well than the same size SA rim.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

OK, so since ebay just threw down 10% ebay bucks i got a set for my 83AC westy of Nokian CLine Van 205/65r16 with a nokian entyre (1.0) in the same size for a spare. Entyre 1.0 appear to be on clearance and much cheaper now that 2.0 is out. I also got 5 of the aforementioned pacer rims to go with 'em. For my other vanilla 87 transporter (currently with PO's SL-rated H724 s**t tires) i got a replacement set of RA18s 195r14s. We'll see how each performs and what set eventually ends up on the westy. each are D-rated 8-plys, not taking any chances. will also measure the new rims with gowesty template to see if they're suitable for big brake upgrade and report back.

I made my decision after reading he comprehensive guide i found here, its a must read if one's looking for new tires:

http://oldbluesblog.com/files/VanagonTireSpecs.pdf
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

I just bought them but don’t have them in my possession until Saturday. I don’t have the part number but they are original Mercedes rims 15”, offset ET44, center bore 66.6, 12mm bolt size, thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

Roger66 wrote:
Ok I’ve read so much now I’m confused with information overload. I’m looking to put these rims from a Mercedes E420 on my 2wd Vanagon. I have seen these rims talked about on here but can seem to find the information I’m looking for. I know I will need to drill out my lug nut holes, but what about spacers and the actual lug nuts? I just picked all 5 of these up for $100 and want them to fit correctly, thank you in advance for any help.
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Yes, more info is necessary. There's at least a dozen factory versions of that wheel (the all look the same/similar) and probably close to that many that were offered by the aftermarket. Factory Mercedes wheels will have the Mercedes symbol next to the part number. Aftermarket will not have that. The size and offset are needed, but having the part number if they are factory is very helpful.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. Reply with quote

You should provide more info. Yes, spacers and longer studs/lugs, as well as different nuts.

What size tire?
What are the factory marking on the inside of the wheels?

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