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johnny d Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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Hi there,
i changed my 996 wheels to the old C2 D90 Wheels. 6 front an 8 x 16" in the rear.
I like the look a lot. I just need to get the 45mm springs added and im ready to go.
Who´s also running these on his Bus? _________________ GermanRestoKommando
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Sharp64 Samba Member
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oasis Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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johnny d wrote: |
i changed my 996 wheels to the old C2 D90 Wheels. 6 front an 8 x 16" in the rear.
I like the look a lot. I just need to get the 45mm springs added and im ready to go. |
That does look spectacular! _________________ Now: 2003 New Beetle Turbo S / 1990 Single Cab Transporter / 2014 Tiguan R-Line 4motion / 2013 Tiguan S / 2002 Golf GLS TDI
Past: 1974 Thing Acapulco / 2009 Eos Komfort / 1997 Jetta GT / 2002 Cabrio GLX / 2002 Passat GLS / 1971 Super Beetle / 1993 EuroVan MV Westfalia / 1981 Pickup LX / 1985 Vanagon / 1986 Jetta GLI |
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johnny d Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 2204 Location: where it all came from. ;)
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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oasis wrote: |
johnny d wrote: |
i changed my 996 wheels to the old C2 D90 Wheels. 6 front an 8 x 16" in the rear.
I like the look a lot. I just need to get the 45mm springs added and im ready to go. |
That does look spectacular! |
thanks, actually i like them more than the 996 wheels. they make the van not too modern.
I just now hope they don´t breake.
I also want to swamp the "normal" 225/50 tires against 225/55. These are nearly the same size then like the original 14 inch wheels with th 185 tires and the 225/50 looked to me a little bit flat compared to the front 205/55 tires.
here two shots:
225/50
225/55
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VanWagon Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2022 Posts: 70 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:11 am Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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These fit. Not sure what they are and I need one more. Anyone know where to get it?
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joetiger Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 5078 Location: denver
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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Mercedes wheels...I love those. They look great on a Vanagon.
Google the part # and you'll get a ton of hits.
mercedes aly 2034012802 _________________ Joe T.
'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'04 GTI 1.8T
'04 Golf R32
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
Available Now! Vanagon to Louisiana--A Two-Lane Reckoning Through Past and Present
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johnny d Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 2204 Location: where it all came from. ;)
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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6 and 8 on 20mm adapters with 45mm lowering
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RoryGirl Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2016 Posts: 784 Location: WestWorld Nanaimo BC
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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Those Design 90s really look great on a T3...I ran a full set of 8s on my Syncro B3 back in the day _________________ 1991 Double door pop top conversion |
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7756 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:19 am Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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Input, please? Can’t be sure these haven’t been discussed before…
“4 Alcar steel wheels rims 9905 7.0Jx16 ET33 5x112 for Mercedes Benz E”
Description says “from Germany”…$550, free shipping…
https://www.ebay.com/itm/385087456362?mkcid=16&...;media=SMS
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"The WonderVan"
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fastmc25 Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2004 Posts: 1202 Location: East Tennessee
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:41 am Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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They look great, only thing I would be worried about is are center Bores correct. I’m not 100% on Vanagons but bay bus will need the center clearance enlarged to 67mm to fit the front hub.
I believe on Vanagons , those Mecedes wheels fit fine. _________________ Peace,
Paul
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1971 Transporter (Pickle) 1914cc
1961 Deluxe Beetle (Christine) 1776cc
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ss1642 Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2008 Posts: 14 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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I know there are many tire/wheel options, but I am thinking about making it simple and going with the GW rally style or the alloy wheel tire package (Michelin defenders). I have a 85 1.9 with stock wheels.
What are the pro and cons 15" vs 16"? Thanks! |
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tjet Samba Member
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Crankey Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2004 Posts: 2659
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2023 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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Italjohn wrote: |
Just got a set of Mercedes 18" 8,5 ET35 for free.
Anyone know what Mercedes they came from?
Three of them is a little dented on the inside.
Did straigthen them by following a how to on youtube.
Heated to 200° C and used the jack to straigthen.
Managed to get them "ok"according to the tire ballancing man.
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Hey that's interesting ! I saw a utube straightening a wheel where the guy said 400° was hot enough. I don't remember if it was C or F
Can you post a link to the vid you saw ?
I have a forged BBS with a slight bend on the inner bead, maybe 1/4" deflection from round at the most.
Bend like this is approximately $100-$150 to fix by a pro. I'd love to diy it. Porta power and aerospace grade fabrication tables at my work. I'd love to see another tutorial before I try it. Not too worried about cracking cause they are forged for certain. |
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danbeerpig Samba Member
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do.dah Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 447 Location: Washington
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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Didn't spend much time checking out these listings, but, 1st won't fit, 2nd listing, you'll need spacers, 3rd, not sure if that bolt pattern actually exists, 4th,, well, i lost interest... |
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Général Blasphème F.M.B.C Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2006 Posts: 4 Location: Asheville, NC
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:51 am Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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Materials
4 X OEM Mercedes 190 Gullideckel Wheels P/N 201 401 1102, 15X6 ET49 "Lemmers"
4 X 20mm Hubcentric 5x112 Wheel Spacers | 66.56mm Hub
10 X 14x1.5 Thread 80mm Length 63mm Shank For Porsche front conversion studs
10 X Rear Wheel Lug Stud 40743002001 Compatible with Porsche 911 930 944 2.7L 3.0L 3.3L 72MM
20 X White Knight 1709S-20AM Chrome M14x1.50 Bulge Acorn Lug Nut
20 X empi 9508 vw bug buggy lug bolt adapter ball seat washers 60 degree acorn to metric
4 X MERCEDES WHEEL RAISED CENTER CAPS Silver HUBCAPS 75MM
4 X WOLFSBURG Flat 65MM Wheel Center stickers (Painted Aluminum, all over Etsy)
Tools
1/2" Breaker Bar 18" Long
1/2" 19MM Socket
3/4" Breaker Bar 40" Long
3/4" 46MM Socket
Hole saw from Ace that slips over the front grease cap (2 1/4" I think)
Wire Brush
Metric Allen Key Set
9/16" Drill Bit
Drill
Substantial Hammer
Vise
1" round 4" Long Hunk 'O Brass
Instructions
Drill out the stud holes on the wheels with the drill bit. On these wheels it is fairly easy since the whole wheel is aluminum as opposed to the OEM Mercedes Bundt wheels that have steel inserts. You might go one step up on the drill bit size, the size I used is on the smaller side and the wheels hang up the first time you put them on.
Remove Front Wheel.
The spacer will not fit over the raised lip on the outside of the grease cap. Use the hole saw to remove the outer lip from the grease cap. Gentle light pressure (practically none) will take it right off, getting physical will make the hole saw keep hanging up and binding because the fit between them is very close, then it strips the threads on the hole saw, and then it's another trip to Ace. Also, don't get all excited like I did and install the studs first, it makes this step that much harder with no clearance to maneuver. Lastly, don't think you are going get a little rotary file bit and put it in your drill and trim the lip off the grease cap. (the 'several hours later' meme goes here). These are heavy duty grease caps and they are not made like typical American grease caps - the lip is solid and not crimped.
Clean the rust and gunk off wheel mounting surface with the wire brush. The spacer fits flush over most of this surface and you want it clean and flat. I used a round wire brush on a battery drill.
Install the studs into the hub with red Loctite on the threads that go into the hub using an Allen Key.
Install the wheel with the lug nuts and the EMPI adapters. You have to really want these wheels. Not every one can be (or even wants to be) a Franco-German aesthete who insists that the only properly styled wheel for a Vanagon is the one that was inadvertently created by Mercedes to fully capture the sort of "Engineer Boot' blueprint motif of the Vanagon. It's a hell of lot easier to order a wheel tire package from a vendor and bolt 'em up, but then it's not the same, is it? You don't get to grapple with three different ball seat diameters, 14MM/12MM, offset, backspacing, etc. And you end up with those eight hole Mercedes wheels that just don't visually match a Vanagon.
Remove Rear wheel.
Well, don't do that first. You are going to have to remove the hub in the back and to do that you should leave it on the ground and use the 40" breaker bar to loosen the nut. The new studs are too long to fit in the hole in the hub with the space available to the backing plate. Once it is broken loose, take off the back wheel. You can use that EMPI 5749 tool and a 1/2" Breaker and a hammer and all that, but it is an ordeal, and once you mount the new studs the EMPI tool won't fit anymore and you're going to have to end up buying the breaker bar and socket anyway.
Pull the drum and the hub off, and hammer out the old studs while supporting the hub on the vise. Clean up the mounting surface with the wire brush, flip the hub over and install the new studs with the hammer and hunk 'o brass. You don't need to take them somewhere and get them hydraulically pressed. It's also a good opportunity to put on new brake drums, and the Bendix brand that is shipping right now from Amazon are not the cheap all cast ones, but the nice machined on the outside ones at $40ish each.
Take the raised wheel centers and pop off the Mercedes emblems and stick on the Wolfsburg emblems. You will have to 'cup' them some, but not much and you can do it with your thumbs and then check the fit before you stick them on.
Gather up all the parts and tools and you be rolling in a few hours, and not days like I spent discovering many of the ways not to do this. |
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Crankey Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:02 am Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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Here's a wheel project for some unfazed by cost...
Penta centers for BBS lips and barrels. Build as needed for the right ET or an et that can work with spacers.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325685878284?mkcid=16&...media=COPY
Save to your eBay and the next day or so you'll probably get an offer (I did) for a little off the price. Total cost for this project, around $2500 including lips, barrels, nuts and screws, tube of sealant, locktite...my guestimate, not including painting or the hardware from t3 technique to mount them.
Be the only one on your block, your suburb, city or even your whole state with these 😎 I'm not affiliated with this sale and get no kickback on it. |
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RoryGirl Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2016 Posts: 784 Location: WestWorld Nanaimo BC
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:06 am Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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I likey...but am fazed by this
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Crankey Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:23 am Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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Oh my....if I'd noticed that I wouldn't have posted them. That's a deal breaker for sure. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: "What wheels fit?" The ultimate wheel post. |
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So after hitting a brick wall getting the Alzors to fit I purchased a set of AMG 5 spokes. 17x7.5 and 17x8.5. 37 and 34 ET respectively. Fronts running 215 and 225 rear. Bought the GW stud and spacer kit. Used the spacers on the front.
Wheels had some curb rash but a local guy who also does some work for my side business repaired then and powdered them balck. Its a little tight on the door but does clear. Hopefully when I put door panels back on it will be ok. Front probably has 5-7 mm clearance.
After jacking around with the passengers side nut for 2 hours I cut them off. Zero chance they were coming off otherwise.
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1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
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