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brese73 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:44 am Post subject: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| just did a top end rebuild on my AH 1600 DP. my oil pressure idiot light wont go off and the motor is running hot. has proper amount of oil and no leaks. |
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brese73 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:58 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| did some research. I need to check for grounds (recent new wire harness installed). need to check press sending unit switch, oil pump primed, oil pump screen. anything else I need to check? |
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Air-Cooled Head Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:10 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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Timing? _________________ Everything known to man has been written.
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brese73 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:17 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| AH case. 5 deg ATDC. Set with timing light. |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:20 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| Did you wrap the oil pressure sending units threads with teflon tape? |
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brese73 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:26 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| yes I wrapped the oil press sending unit with Teflon tape |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:29 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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Remove the teflon tape so that the sender will ground to the case and will actually work.
If you feel the need to put something on there, use a drop of locktite blue. |
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Lingwendil Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:34 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| brese73 wrote: |
| AH case. 5 deg ATDC. Set with timing light. |
Whoa, hold on now. What distributor and carburetor are you using? The case code isn't important, your distributor part number dictates the timing. 5° retarded should only be if you have a retard hose hooked up. You are supposed to set timing with both hoses disconnected and set for max advance, then hook the hoses up to see where your timing sits. Usually when timed properly DVDA distributors sit around 5~10° advanced before the hoses are connected. The retard hose pulls the timing back when the throttle plate is closed for emissions purposes and better engine braking. _________________ 73 super beetle thread http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=649622 Back on the Road!
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brese73 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:24 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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Distributer: Bosh 113 905 205 T (has vacuum hose)
Carb : 34 Pict-3
I reset the timing. not running hot now.
However, I'm still getting no oil pressure. oil level good. no leaks. I removed the oil pressure sending unit. I cranked the motor and no oil was squirting out. Need to prime the oil pump? |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member

Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:29 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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You need to find a distributor that works with your carb's vacuum signature.
Find out why you are not getting any oil pressure. Pump not working with your camshaft? Oil pick up tube? |
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brese73 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| Think I found the problem. I removed the cover to the oil pump. There was oil in there. Then I turned the crank. The 2 gears didn't move. Oil pump shot? Is it a simple pull & replace? |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| Depends on what camshaft you have. |
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Zundfolge1432  Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| Sounds like oil pump for a flat cam instead of dished. Pull the pump |
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Zundfolge1432  Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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On the right the dished cam 71 and up uses 26mm oil pump
On the left the 61-70 flat cam uses 21mm oil pump
Use the early pump late cam no oil pressure
Use the late pump early cam engine seizes you ll never get past that point .
Has happened to the best of them they look similar yes?
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brese73 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| ah. just did a little research. I see the difference. I bought this motor as a spare for $150. I cleaned up the heads. installed new rings. new seals. I guess the previous owner installed the wrong pump. fingers crossed there's no damage |
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Cusser Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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I once had a pump for straight cam used n a dished cam engine, only the pump gear got worn away, needed a replacement oil pump gear (longer type). _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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brese73 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:04 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| i guess the biggest concern is if the slot in the cam is worn away. I should be able to determine this with the oil pump out? So I need a 26mm pump (long) for the dished cam? Is there anything else I need to specifically look for so my new oil pump is correct? |
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33383 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:11 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| brese73 wrote: |
| i guess the biggest concern is if the slot in the cam is worn away. I should be able to determine this with the oil pump out? So I need a 26mm pump (long) for the dished cam? Is there anything else I need to specifically look for so my new oil pump is correct? |
Yes, you should get a good view of the cam slot with the oil pump out. And a pretty good view if you just pull out the gears and rotate the engine with a wrench.
On mine, the cam slot was fine, and the engine is still running to this day, about 25 years later. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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brese73 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:11 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| How do I know whether to use a 26mm or 30mm oil pump for dished cams? |
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brese73 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:13 am Post subject: Re: oil pressure light/running hot |
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| I got it all sorted out. just ordered a 26mm oil pump for dished cam along with a pump puller and new seal nuts. thanks for the help. I'll post end results |
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