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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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sputnick60 Samba Moderator
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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sputnick60 wrote: |
John Moxon wrote: |
For $65k I'd want to send Scott Doonan with a magnifying glass to check it out for me (again).... |
For $65k I'd fancy the one Scott is doing because it'd be perfect.
Nicholas |
I'm no expert, so I'm curious what incorrect things you guys see aside from the lack of rubber mats, trim rings. Is the interior color scheme correct?
From what I've seen there are so few lowlights done right that the bar is pretty low and this one looks better than most I've seen posted. Getting a car to that level is a costly proposition.
Thoughts? _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
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1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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Loren Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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The dash is not correct for 58. Look at the vent control knobs, they are the 56-early 57 style. It should have the paddle knobs not the turn knobs. I wonder if they replaced the dash, just the vent control areas or if the whole body is 56-57??? They did put the correct dash knobs on, though they forgot the correct shifter knob (I wonder if it has the correct heater knob??). For that kind of coin I would look that car over with a find tooth comb. |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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Loren wrote: |
The dash is not correct for 58. Look at the vent control knobs, they are the 56-early 57 style. It should have the paddle knobs not the turn knobs. I wonder if they replaced the dash, just the vent control areas or if the whole body is 56-57??? They did put the correct dash knobs on, though they forgot the correct shifter knob (I wonder if it has the correct heater knob??). For that kind of coin I would look that car over with a find tooth comb. |
That car is a real hotchpotch as you say Loren...not correct for either a '56-'57 or a '58 so the description is all the more bizarre. _________________ John.
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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I imagine they back dated the door panels and flooring because it is easier to make than the later stuff. A good least they didn't stick TMI mid 60s panels in it like most people do.
But yeah, for that price that car should be 100 percent correct and have something other than a bone stock 36hp, like a real Okrasa kit or Judson. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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You gotta wonder if it's not a 56 on a later pan? Who would go through the hassle of grafting those early style fresh air knob assemblies in?
Also, don't the tailight bezels look like early style vs 58? _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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Loren Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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For that price I would expect it to have the right sun visors, metal horn cover for the horn ring, correct heater knob... especially when the ad states that the builder was a stickler for details. The dash vent knobs detail is a BIG red flag. |
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swanlakers Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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Aside from the euro color rear signals, the front signals are early 60’s. As noted by others, the car is pretty, but wrong. It really can’t decide what year it is. I also noticed that no trunk pictures are shown. Regarding the dash, looks like early metal to me. The sellers website has more pictures and the dash “corners” are early. And the incorrect shift knob _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/56ghia/cover.jpg
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KGCoupe Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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While there are obviously a few stand-out individual forum members here who possess a tremendous amount of knowledge regarding the "History of The Karmann Ghia" and what specific details are correct for which time period, the collective knowledge of the Ghia Forum members here as a whole never fails to impress the shit out of me when it comes to evaluating the actual level of "correctness" for any given individual Ghia.
It's a sort of a "live action WIKI" that ferrets out the smallest of incorrect details, and it leaves me wondering if the old saying "Caveat Emptor" (or essentially "let the buyer beware") isn't being turned on its head.
Anyone trying to pass off a Karmann Ghia as something it's not around here will soon find it's "Caveat Venditor" (or essentially "let the seller beware") - any trickery or deceit will be exposed.
I think what I'm actually saying here is that "You can fool some of the buyers some of the time, but you can't fool the Karmann Ghia Forum collective ever.".
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Loren Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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The front turn signals are correct for a 56-58 Ghia, though I noticed the front seats are 60's low backs and not the correct seats for a 58 Ghia. |
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swanlakers Samba Member
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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Why in the earth would you replace a shitty front clip with another shitty front clip?
This car needs all sorts of metal love, way overpriced.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2334933 _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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c21darrel Samba Member
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volksaddict Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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I dont like it when people write long run on sentences without periods or commas because its akward to read and hard to understand when one idea ends and another begins so the ad is hard to understand like a crazy persons rambling on and on just nonsensical some people have no idea how to communicate properly so their ads do not describe their junk accurately that is worth nowhere near what they think it is |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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blue72beetle Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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"Solid has rust solid has rust solid has rust...."
Well? Which is it? It can't be both?! _________________ -Andy-
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KGCoupe Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
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blue72beetle wrote: |
"Solid has rust solid has rust solid has rust...."
Well? Which is it? It can't be both?! |
Sure it can - just like with headliners, there's two different styles of rust commonly found on Ghias.
Some have the solid kind of rust, while others have the perforated style of rust.
Karmann Ghias with the solid kind of rust can fetch higher prices because they don't require new paint.
Just call it a "patina" or "survivor" car, and you can raise the asking price accoringly.. |
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c21darrel Samba Member
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