| Author |
Message |
Rome
Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004
Posts: 9651
Location: Pearl River, NY
|
 Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
 |
|
| Quote: |
| No. That one has late tail lights, Brazilian Ghias have type 3 tail lights. |
To be precise: German-built Ghias from '72 thru '74 model year had "late" Type 3 taillamps from the '70 thru '73 style. The Brazilian Ghia in that ad, as well as another one I've seen in person (my gallery) had the '66 thru '69 "bulged" Type 3 taillamps, in contrast to the '61 thru '65 (or later?) "slim" taillamps. US Type 3 from '66 thru '69 also had the "bulged" taillamps but those lenses were all red. Euro "bulged" Type 3 and the Braz Ghias had the amber-colored turn signal portions.
So- the white Ghia Cabrio from the Pawn Stars photo above is indeed a German-built '63 but with the late Ghia taillamps and lower quarter panel (indents for the fat chick bumper) grafted on.  Maybe a handy late donor rear clip for the '63 due to accident damage? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Fish
Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2000
Posts: 5563
Location: OB. It's beside the point.
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
| Rome wrote: |
| Quote: |
| No. That one has late tail lights, Brazilian Ghias have type 3 tail lights. |
To be precise: German-built Ghias from '72 thru '74 model year had "late" Type 3 taillamps from the '70 thru '73 style. The Brazilian Ghia in that ad, as well as another one I've seen in person (my gallery) had the '66 thru '69 "bulged" Type 3 taillamps, in contrast to the '61 thru '65 (or later?) "slim" taillamps. US Type 3 from '66 thru '69 also had the "bulged" taillamps but those lenses were all red. Euro "bulged" Type 3 and the Braz Ghias had the amber-colored turn signal portions.
So- the white Ghia Cabrio from the Pawn Stars photo above is indeed a German-built '63 but with the late Ghia taillamps and lower quarter panel (indents for the fat chick bumper) grafted on. Maybe a handy late donor rear clip for the '63 due to accident damage? |
Thank you for the information. I learn a lot from you guys and I appreciate it.
_________________
Prosit!
.·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><((((º>
.·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><((((º>
# 303 and #156
Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
will t
Samba Member
Joined: February 23, 2009
Posts: 179
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
Some of you might recognize this car, it was in the classifieds for a while. I made the mistake of trusting this guy out in the San Fernando Valley, who described the 69 Ghia he advertised on this site's classifieds as reasonably straight and a good restoration candidate. It is my first Ghia (though by far not my first car) but I am human and trusted his word. It turns out the body isn't particularly straight, has a few key points of body rust, and the interior seems very much like it was flooded. The engine does turn, but it is very dirty and will have to be disassembled and fully gone through before use. Anyway, he was asking 6000 and I offered 5. He took it immediately and i should have read that as a sign. It is now in my yard as a parts car, and not one with a ton of parts, either. Buyer beware, right? I am a dummy sometimes, that for sure! And at my age the term live and learn should mean I have a PhD in sense! (Not!)
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Braukuche
Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004
Posts: 11004
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
Ones mans decent project can be another mans turd depending on a lot of factors.
From the pics it doesn’t look like a total turd and $5k for a complete Ghia project doesn’t sound off unless it’s a total turd. Post a few more pics, especially of the worst areas.
_________________
Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
will t
Samba Member
Joined: February 23, 2009
Posts: 179
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
"Ones mans decent project can be another mans turd depending on a lot of factors."
You are right in saying the above. However, I thought I would be starting with what I consider a solid base, but everywhere I look I see stuff I would expect not to be crappy, but is. Here are pictures of some of the conditions I have with this car:
Oh by the way, if any of you would like to take a go at this car please let me know. Right now it is in my storage yard. I will use or sell whatever parts I can, but otherwise for the right person it might be the right project.
Dash pads, dash face, steering wheel, horn ring, all pretty bad
Gauge trims very oxidized
Seat frames and springs sort of ok, but orange with oxidation. Not shown, only one door card, and it isn't usable, door hardware completely oxidized, window regulators had to be de-oxidized and even then they're only ok, no window cranks. One exterior door handle missing. Basically the interior needs everything
headliner area completely oxidized
mirror broken off, passenger visor gone
Rear area a mess
Gas tank full of varnish and not cleanable (at least in my area)
Wiring a total disaster. I connected a good battery and could barely find a place on the fuse box that would even light my test light. Cardboard gone obviously
Pan actually not rusted or patched. In fact, the original sound insulation is still in place under the seats, but it is stuck on very well
View of one rocker corner
There are two pretty good dents in the pan though, this is one
every hubcap is dented and unusable
Car was hit and fixed at the rear so the back of the engine bay is all bumpy
Tons of dirt and debris throughout, just keep running into it
Three of the four corners hit and "fixed"
Light housings won't look clean without a re-work
Logo recess filled in
Driver's side front bumper bracket attachment inside is rusted away, you can see it hanging as a result. There is also an area of rust-through below the horn hole.
Sheet metal for attaching headlight bucket not particularly round or good
The nose isn't too bad. Only fixed once - so far
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Braukuche
Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004
Posts: 11004
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:33 am Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
You got a mostly complete fairly dry and solid project car with solid pans for $5k. That is a fair deal now days. That is not a car to part out, unless you want to cut it up and sell chunks of the body. Even then you will have a hard time getting your money back. If it’s too big of a project for you then repost it. I’m sure you will get your money back.
_________________
Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
will t
Samba Member
Joined: February 23, 2009
Posts: 179
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
That is encouraging, thank you. I might re-post it after all the holiday brouhaha simmers down.
Thanks again! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
c21darrel
Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009
Posts: 8211
Location: San Dimas
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Braukuche
Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004
Posts: 11004
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
What makes them specifically lowlight?
Aren’t these the same handles used from 57 to 66?
_________________
Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jeffrey8164 
Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018
Posts: 3818
Location: Georgia
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
| will t wrote: |
That is encouraging, thank you. I might re-post it after all the holiday brouhaha simmers down.
Thanks again! |
Hi Will,
I feel you.
Unfortunately these cars are a labor of love not a labor of profit.
I bought my Ghia in 1991 for $200. At my last talley, hang on let me check, https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9053247#9053247
That’s just the recent refresh $18,000 in parts alone recently. I spent another $13,000 previous to that.
Just shows what an idiot I can be. I’d probably get about $12,000 for it and it’s a pan off restoration. Not selling, just saying.
_________________
Volkswagen!
Turning owners into mechanics since 1938.
“Let he that is without oil throw the first rod”
(Compression 8.7:1) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jeffrey8164
Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018
Posts: 3818
Location: Georgia
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
| Braukuche wrote: |
What makes them specifically lowlight?
Aren’t these the same handles used from 57 to 66? |
I think it’s called “Marketing to the Uninformed”.
NOS though is still nothing to sneeze at but they’re not “perfect” so I still think that the price is high.
_________________
Volkswagen!
Turning owners into mechanics since 1938.
“Let he that is without oil throw the first rod”
(Compression 8.7:1) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Braukuche
Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004
Posts: 11004
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
| jeffrey8164 wrote: |
| Braukuche wrote: |
What makes them specifically lowlight?
Aren’t these the same handles used from 57 to 66? |
I think it’s called “Marketing to the Uninformed”.
NOS though is still nothing to sneeze at but they’re not “perfect” so I still think that the price is high. |
The one with the yellowed knob and mounting marks is showing more than shelf wear.
_________________
Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
c21darrel
Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009
Posts: 8211
Location: San Dimas
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Loren
Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2004
Posts: 1701
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2438601
Price seems high to me. The ad states "nothing to hide car is awesome". Why not post more images, especially of the rockers, engine bay, front of the dash, floor pans, etc. If there is nothing to hide why not mention that the radio hole has been enlarged and where did the raised area for the nose badge go? I spy with my little eye bond around the passenger side headlight, what else lurks below the gray primer? Nothing to see here, move along... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Braukuche
Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004
Posts: 11004
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
| Loren wrote: |
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2438601
Price seems high to me. The ad states "nothing to hide car is awesome". Why not post more images, especially of the rockers, engine bay, front of the dash, floor pans, etc. If there is nothing to hide why not mention that the radio hole has been enlarged and where did the raised area for the nose badge go? I spy with my little eye bond around the passenger side headlight, what else lurks below the gray primer? Nothing to see here, move along... |
He did say the front end hasn’t been body worked.
Pictures are needed, agreed, especially when you make such claims.
If what he saying is true I think it’s a fair price. Didn’t that rotten one on BAT recently sell for more?
_________________
Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
c21darrel
Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009
Posts: 8211
Location: San Dimas
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sputnick60
Samba Moderator
Joined: July 22, 2007
Posts: 3916
Location: In Molinya Orbit
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Loren
Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2004
Posts: 1701
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
NoDents
Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2017
Posts: 438
Location: So Cal
|
| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Example of Overpriced Ghias & Ghia Parts |
|
|
I disagree. NOS part in Germany is ~$2159
https://www.vintagecarparts.de/artikel.php?session...gotoindex=
_________________
No Dents
1963 Bug - Sold in 1980
1966 Karmann Ghia Convertible - Stolen in 1988
1971 Karmann Ghia Convertible, resto/mod COMPLETED 10/2020 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
c21darrel
Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009
Posts: 8211
Location: San Dimas
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
