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blankmange
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 Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: Re: Sorry about mixing up posters |
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| Factory Trained wrote: |
| Glenn wrote: |
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Take a look at page 18 of the latest issue of Hot VWs. Under Tech Talk, look at the question/reply for the item titled, "Starter won't spin". I was doing this 36 years ago...why is this info so, "new"? |
Is that the same Hot VW magazine that constantly publishes incorrect information? |
And continues to run ads from companies that should have been out of business years ago...ahhhhh...yea! |
so why would you quote them for any reason?
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fastback1971
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| Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:22 am Post subject: Re: Sorry about mixing up posters |
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| blankmange wrote: |
| Factory Trained wrote: |
| Glenn wrote: |
| Factory Trained wrote: |
Take a look at page 18 of the latest issue of Hot VWs. Under Tech Talk, look at the question/reply for the item titled, "Starter won't spin". I was doing this 36 years ago...why is this info so, "new"? |
Is that the same Hot VW magazine that constantly publishes incorrect information? |
And continues to run ads from companies that should have been out of business years ago...ahhhhh...yea! |
so why would you quote them for any reason? |
Cause it makes him look like hes right. 
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Paul Wilson
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| Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Sorry about mixing up posters |
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| blankmange wrote: |
| Factory Trained wrote: |
| Glenn wrote: |
| Factory Trained wrote: |
Take a look at page 18 of the latest issue of Hot VWs. Under Tech Talk, look at the question/reply for the item titled, "Starter won't spin". I was doing this 36 years ago...why is this info so, "new"? |
Is that the same Hot VW magazine that constantly publishes incorrect information? |
And continues to run ads from companies that should have been out of business years ago...ahhhhh...yea! |
so why would you quote them for any reason? |
I never read the article, but I have used the Ford solenoid in different applications for years. Long before I was involved with VW's. I wouldn't consider it jury rigging. I would call it an improvement because it does work in many instances. Just because VW didn't use this type of solenoid doesn't mean that it is a bad idea. Granted if you need PURE STOCK VW then this isn't for you. No, I am not a factory trained VW mechanic but I have done my own work for 45 years. Just my two cents.
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BGEE68 
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Sorry about mixing up posters |
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| fastback1971 wrote: |
| blankmange wrote: |
| Factory Trained wrote: |
| Glenn wrote: |
| Factory Trained wrote: |
Take a look at page 18 of the latest issue of Hot VWs. Under Tech Talk, look at the question/reply for the item titled, "Starter won't spin". I was doing this 36 years ago...why is this info so, "new"? |
Is that the same Hot VW magazine that constantly publishes incorrect information? |
And continues to run ads from companies that should have been out of business years ago...ahhhhh...yea! |
so why would you quote them for any reason? |
Cause it makes him look like hes right. :roll: |
Not at all...just interesting the very same subject just happens to be covered in the Jan issue.
It works and I'm going to continue doing it...except I would never do it to a restored VW...bone stock, means bone stock! |
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t3kg
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BGEE68
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I installed a Ford starter relay in my otherwise bone-stock 6V 1500S Squareback, and it solved a resistance-related starting problem that the car had had for years. It might be a hack but it's a useful one.
But Chrysler parts...now that's where I draw the line. 
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=209549 |
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Tram
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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I installed a Ford starter relay in my otherwise bone-stock 6V 1500S Squareback, and it solved a resistance-related starting problem that the car had had for years. It might be a hack but it's a useful one.
But Chrysler parts...now that's where I draw the line.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=209549 |
I hear that!!! |
You mean Daimler- Chrysler parts, right?
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t3kg
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BGEE68
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| You mean Daimler- Chrysler parts, right? |
Er, umm, I mean...I think it was a Taunus relay I installed. Yeah, that's it... |
Not those dreaded Ford parts.... :wink: :wink: :wink: |
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tomnotch
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what does ford or mopar relays have to do with VW pistons?
I use Bosch relays .
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BGEE68
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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what does ford or mopar relays have to do with VW pistons?
I use Bosch relays :wink: . |
I have no clue how this thread ended up where it has...I use Bosch relays also! |
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sharkskinman
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was reading past threads and i had to bring this up
Glenn
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.179" = 92mm thickwall
.177" = 88mm machine-in
.163" = 85.5mm
.148" = 90.5mm
.140" = 94mm
.118" = 92mm standard
.114" = 88mm slip-in |
If the 88mm slip ins (.114")will fit and work
BUT the 88 machined (.177") the case would have to be bored
then couldnt you put
All but the 88 machined-in In a 1600 case
My friend is a watercooled guy and he swears that i can put bigger pistons then the 87.5s i already have
Stock 1641 (87.5 pistons)
would greater ratio rockers and bigger pistons Make that much of a differance
Just picked up a 1600 short block
and its sitting at friends house awaiting parts
Hes into Air flow aswell
Hes a fruit
but he says that he can take a 1600 and make over 100 hp and still get 25+ miles a gallon?
Hm??
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| There is one known exception, which is OK for the use of these rockers and that is the stock VW camshaft. Because VW wanted maximum reliability and was not interested in the HP output as much as longevity, they built in a very, very mild ramp angle so even our, GB 411-1.40 high ratio rocker set can safely be used. The only concern with our rockers would be the interference from the retainer to the guide on a stock head and the lack of spring pressure. |
what performance "Pros" does having a higher ratio rocker do to the engine
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Glenn
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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was reading past threads and i had to bring this up
Glenn
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.179" = 92mm thickwall
.177" = 88mm machine-in
.163" = 85.5mm
.148" = 90.5mm
.140" = 94mm
.118" = 92mm standard
.114" = 88mm slip-in |
If the 88mm slip ins (.114")will fit and work
BUT the 88 machined (.177") the case would have to be bored
then couldnt you put
All but the 88 machined-in In a 1600 case
My friend is a watercooled guy and he swears that i can put bigger pistons then the 87.5s i already have
Stock 1641 (87.5 pistons)
would greater ratio rockers and bigger pistons Make that much of a differance
Just picked up a 1600 short block
and its sitting at friends house awaiting parts
Hes into Air flow aswell
Hes a fruit
but he says that he can take a 1600 and make over 100 hp and still get 25+ miles a gallon?
Hm?? |
I'm not sure you're taking into account that the larger pistons have to be included with the wall thickness.
1600, 100hp, 25+mpg.... my 2180 has over 180hp and gets 24mpg cruising at 70mph.
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sharkskinman
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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 Thats a Great engine i must say
That would make my Fasty REALLY FAST 
What is the set up of That engine
im thinking of starting with a 2110
whats the BHP on that ?
if you know
Whats the biggest piston you can use without boring the case? 87.5s?
and when you go bigger in a car
Do you have to get bigger tins
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Glenn
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Specs for my engine are linked in my signature.
88 slip in are the largest without machining.
My engine is only .250" wider than a stock 1600DP so the only mods to the tins were around the intake manifold holes.
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my65rhd
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| Are 83.5mm pistons still available. I need to start collecting parts to rebuild my 1500cc...or will I have to go with 85.5's ? Thanks Kyle |
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sharkskinman
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Glenn - what was the cut in the left tin for
Or have i just never really seen a type1 tin before.
yeah i wouldn't think .25 would be much of a worry
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bent_karma
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| Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:39 am Post subject: reviving this thread about pistons |
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So I may have stumbled into the wrong thread here but I have a piston question and didn't want to start a new post.
To make a long story short I'm rebuilding my square back engine semi stock. Dual carbs 1600 stock engine so I took the cilynders and pistons off and I forgot to scratch the numbers on the pistons now they're all mixed and I was planning on reusing them since they're just a little worn. Just change the rings so am I gonna regret not writing numbers or what? Thanks in advance.
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