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Major Woody Samba Enigma
Joined: December 04, 2002 Posts: 9010 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:59 am Post subject: Where to get protective sheath for accelerator cable? |
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I am in need of 111 721 551, the 670 MM long black plastic protective sheath covering the accelerator cable as it passes through space over the transaxle.
Wolfsburg West does not list it on their site.
Anyone have any ideas?
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2002 Posts: 1867 Location: Clearwater Fl.
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: |
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if you are refering to the almost bowden tube for the accelerator i got mine from bfy they used part no. 131 721 551. it cost 15.00. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Home depot,
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69733 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9905 Location: idaho
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:41 am Post subject: |
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EverettB wrote: |
Were those used on Split Buses?
I like them but I have never seen one on a "original" Split-screen Bus. |
my 8-62 parts list indicates that they showed up on buses in 2-61. I believe that there was also a little wire loop that bolted to the tranny to guide the accellerator tube at some point, but I don't know the year spread on it. _________________ .
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Major Woody Samba Enigma
Joined: December 04, 2002 Posts: 9010 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:46 am Post subject: |
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I will look again for a little wire loop. Pretty dark down there. I did try pulling on the remainder of the sheath and it would not move, so perhaps there is something holding it in place.
These get real brittle over time.
Using the 131 prefix, I found that both WW and CIP have the tube. CIP has it for $1 less and free shipping, but that is still $19 for a simple plastic tube. It also may not be long enough at 600 MM--the type 2 parts list says it should be 670MM. At 600MM, it is listed as fitting bug and Ghia.
I think I will use plumbing tube. That is actually quite close to what was there originally.
Last edited by Major Woody on Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:55 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9905 Location: idaho
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Major Woody wrote: |
I will look again for a little wire loop. Pretty dark down there. I did try pulling on the remainder of the sheath and it would not move, so perhaps there is something holding it in place.
These get real brittle over time. |
I meant to say the wire loop guided the accellerator cable, not the accellerator cable tube. the wire loop bolts to the top of the tranny using on of the side cover bolts. I believe it might be earlier than the tube.
any plastic sheathing will work. I have even used old fuel line on VWs that had nothing. the accesslerator cable will saw into the tranny case if there is nothing to prevent it from doing that. _________________ .
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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: |
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yeah, later splits used the bowden tube type cable sleeve. the tube is similar to the bowden tube for the choke, fuel reserve, and clutch cable, in that it is a metal coil protected by a ruber/plastic cover. one end fits on the metal guide tube for the accel cable, near the front of the transmission, and the other end has a trumpet like end on it where it fits on the metal accel guide tube that fits through the fan shroud.
the part number is a beetle number (111 721 551), but in the parts book it also mentions that it needs to be shortened to 670mm. i believe the original length of the 111 sleeve is about 690mm.
i have come across various lengths of this bowden tubes. i have always found that regardless of which one i use, it needs to be shortened. if it remains long, there is a significant "bow" in it and often it is too much and makes the cable too short to reach the carb.
sometimes i get lucky and one of the ends comes off the tube, and then i can trim it there, but the ends are crimped on, so many times they are difficult to remove without damaging the ends.
i cut about a 20mm section out of the center of the tube, and then tape it back together, with alot of electrical tape. this has worked well for me for many different busses, and i put them on all my busses.
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Major Woody Samba Enigma
Joined: December 04, 2002 Posts: 9010 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Jon,
I did not see any sort of metal lining in the sheath on the 67, like the choke cable on my oval or the bowden cable on Eberspacher. This tube was just thin black plastic, and very smooth like nylon, with no metal end (at least not on the engine side of the tube). Snapped right in the center.
I'll watch for them at swaps. I'd like to have an original one eventually. |
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Lind wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
Were those used on Split Buses?
I like them but I have never seen one on a "original" Split-screen Bus. |
my 8-62 parts list indicates that they showed up on buses in 2-61. I believe that there was also a little wire loop that bolted to the tranny to guide the accellerator tube at some point, but I don't know the year spread on it. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Major Woody wrote: |
Jon,
I did not see any sort of metal lining in the sheath on the 67, like the choke cable on my oval or the bowden cable on Eberspacher. This tube was just thin black plastic, and very smooth like nylon, with no metal end (at least not on the engine side of the tube). Snapped right in the center.
I'll watch for them at swaps. I'd like to have an original one eventually. |
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Major Woody Samba Enigma
Joined: December 04, 2002 Posts: 9010 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps mine had been replaced previously. I will look more closely at the front end of it when the trans is out. I'll try to take pics as well.
This bus has only 58k on it and had not been driven since 1984, so I assumed the tube was OG. |
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10192 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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I too put them in everything I work on. I've had no problem getting the crimped ends to come off, trim a bit, and put the crimped end back on. |
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Major Woody Samba Enigma
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Greg, what do you do--install the engine and then adjust the tube length with it in place, or do you just measure to 670mm and cut?
The new VW of Mexico ones for sale all appear to be too short. |
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hazetguy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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campingbox wrote: |
I too put them in everything I work on. I've had no problem getting the crimped ends to come off, trim a bit, and put the crimped end back on. |
how?
and how do you re-crimp it when you are done? _________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
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BryanM Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2002 Posts: 4212 Location: Concord/Charlotte NC
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I used a peice of fuel line as a temp untill I got the right peice, which I still havent gotten yet. Just a suggestion untill the proper part is found. _________________ -Bryan
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10192 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Major Woody wrote: |
Greg, what do you do--install the engine and then adjust the tube length with it in place, or do you just measure to 670mm and cut?
The new VW of Mexico ones for sale all appear to be too short. |
I install the engine and fit the accel. bowden tube with the motor in place. A little bend in it is alright (1") as long as the accell cable still reaches the carb. |
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campingbox Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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hazetguy wrote: |
campingbox wrote: |
I too put them in everything I work on. I've had no problem getting the crimped ends to come off, trim a bit, and put the crimped end back on. |
how?
and how do you re-crimp it when you are done? |
I usually squirt some spray lube in there and uncrimp them with some pliers.....squeezing and turning to remove it. Cut the cable to size, reshape the end and install it. Recrimp it with some pliers. It's a piece of cake. |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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campingbox wrote: |
hazetguy wrote: |
campingbox wrote: |
I too put them in everything I work on. I've had no problem getting the crimped ends to come off, trim a bit, and put the crimped end back on. |
how?
and how do you re-crimp it when you are done? |
I usually squirt some spray lube in there and uncrimp them with some pliers.....squeezing and turning to remove it. Cut the cable to size, reshape the end and install it. Recrimp it with some pliers. It's a piece of cake. |
or if the accel cable is too long, like using a late cable in a bd, you can shim the bowden tube where it slides onto the spout coming out of the body. I think this had to be done on the '54 baja sc. _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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