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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

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Front:
- 2.5 inch narrowed (bushed) front beam with 2x airbags (3 level bags)
- 914/911 steering rack with 911 turbo rods
- 944 front brakes
- 912 lemmertz 4.5 J steelies.
- 165/50/15 Nakang tires.
No notches.. no tubs.. no raised beam..etc

Rear:

- 944 IRS with 2 airbags (home made) (3 level bags)
- adjustable springplates
- Notched chassis
- AT 1303 Gearbox
- 944 rear diskbrakes
- 944 spare wheels 5.5J
- 185/65/15 tires

Airride installation + remote control (ver funny when people touch the bus)

Most stuff home made except spingplates and IRS clamps.

Drives very good. only a bit nervous with small front tires on high speed.
Since it's adjustable I can set the correct ride height when loaded..

Some tech pictures:

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External dual brake booster Cool

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911 rack + airride + 944 brakes

Are they copper lines going to the booster ? if so isnt that a no no ?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

Yes those are copper brake lines.. Works great for me.

Whats te reason? Tons of cars running here copper lines.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

Copper crystalises and will crack due to vibration over time hence it is unsuitable for use in a motor vehicle, especially on something as critical as brake lines. Highly illegal here in NZ
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:16 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

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Copper crystalises and will crack due to vibration over time hence it is unsuitable for use in a motor vehicle, especially on something as critical as brake lines. Highly illegal here in NZ


Hm never heard of that in NL... I did some research, and its copper/nikkel lines.. beter then 100% full copper. The use it for all resto cars..etc
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

The soft copper tubing you can find in the local hardware store would be deadly if used in hydraulic brakes. Don't use it.There is a modern brake line that is a copper-nickel alloy that has a copper look, that must be what you have.
A lot of old 30s cars had copper lines but the copper tubing used on those cars was somewhat different [heavier, thicker and therefore stronger]
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

bergfan wrote:
The soft copper tubing you can find in the local hardware store would be deadly if used in hydraulic brakes. Don't use it.There is a modern brake line that is a copper-nickel alloy that has a copper look, that must be what you have.
A lot of old 30s cars had copper lines but the copper tubing used on those cars was somewhat different [heavier, thicker and therefore stronger]


Yes thats what I said earlier.. its copper-nickel Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

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I really like that setup. Would love to see more tech shots of the front and rear.


Some old pic's

I made this:

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(test fit picture)

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Irs + air + shock

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all installed (had no better picture)

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Ride on 10 bar.. lol

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

Has anyone bought these wheels and what do you think of them
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C32-FU205-5515B
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

57 Kombi (Paint Stripping still in progress)
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Front:
185/55/R15 Toyo Proxies
3.5" Wagonswest Welded Drop Spindle
Wagonswest Babystang Disc Brakes
No rubbing when loaded up and at full turn.

Rear:
185/65/R15 Toyo Eclipses
Wagonswest Offset Spring Plates
FF transmission with 3.88 R&P and 0.89 4th Gear
68 Bug Brakes and Machined Early Drums with 1/2" Spacers

Rides like a dream!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

Need help here please..

What do I need for functioning E brakes???
I have a 68 long axle with type 3 drums in a 61 bus. Cables run through the floor style.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

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This is all you should need if you have the stock cables, cant remember the length of the tube spacer but I will try and crawl under my bus and get a measurement.....

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

Fantastic!
I was expecting cutting/modifying the cables. This looks to be a such a simple solution.
Look forward to measurements bergfan. Thank you!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

CaLiBus wrote:
Fantastic!
I was expecting cutting/modifying the cables. This looks to be a such a simple solution.
Look forward to measurements bergfan. Thank you!


You will still have to modify your cables.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:03 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

cdennisg wrote:
CaLiBus wrote:
Fantastic!
I was expecting cutting/modifying the cables. This looks to be a such a simple solution.
Look forward to measurements bergfan. Thank you!


You will still have to modify your cables.


Please point me in the right direction. Any pictures where to modify?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:30 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

Mines a 65 bus with the same straight axle conversion and I didn't have to modify my cables, the spacer is 53.5mm long not counting the machined area, i cant measure that without pulling a cable out, you can get that measurement off your cable. The diameter of the tube spacer is 16mm and depending on the wall thickness of the tubing you use, you may need to bore it out a bit, once again you can get that size off your outer cable.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

CaLiBus wrote:
cdennisg wrote:
CaLiBus wrote:
Fantastic!
I was expecting cutting/modifying the cables. This looks to be a such a simple solution.
Look forward to measurements bergfan. Thank you!


You will still have to modify your cables.


Please point me in the right direction. Any pictures where to modify?


From memory, use the 64-67 cables and remove about one inch of the spring at the rear end of the cable. Then assemble as usual but with the cable extenders shown above.

Pretty sure this is covered with photos and a better description right here in this thread somewhere.

EDIT: The answer is in here somewhere. I did a quick search, but did not find the definitive answer. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...mp;start=0
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

Check out the photos near the middle of this thread:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=404574&highlight=emergency+brake+cable
A simple cut will allow you use the stock cables. No extension tubes.
I've done this on my 58 and 61, both with type 3 rear brakes.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:57 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

I'm in! Thank you guys! I'll report back!
Xmas gift to me! Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

I have a question about lowering my brazil bus.
I have lowered spindels in the front (8cm) and how many splins do need to lower for a nice horizontal stance?
I have RGB´s in the rear.
15inch wheels

Witch tyres should you mount on my wheels?

And could i use normal new handbrake cabels?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Specs. of tire, wheel, and suspension - Lowered Buses Reply with quote

gunbab wrote:
I have a question about lowering my brazil bus.
I have lowered spindels in the front (8cm) and how many splins do need to lower for a nice horizontal stance?
I have RGB´s in the rear.
15inch wheels

Witch tyres should you mount on my wheels?

And could i use normal new handbrake cabels?


Here is my advice. It sounds like you are approximately 3 inches down in the front. I would not go any lower than 2 splines on the rear torsion bar/spring plates. If you go down to 3 splines, you WILL ruin your RGBs. I personally went three down and ate up my bearings up and starved the RGBs of oil. However I knew what I was doing and the risk associated with it because I was going to install a 68 bug transmission, which I did. I recommend 2 splines, however you may have to adjust according to how it "looks." I know it is economical, however I would HIGHLY recommend that you consider a 68 bug transmission with offset spring plates since you will lose three inches eliminating your RGBs. Look at my friend's (surfr4evr) blue/white one, 7th post down http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=217649&start=960. He uses 175/55-15s all the way around and it looks good. You may be able to use 185/60/15 as well with no problems. He has lowered spindles and two splines down in the rear. However I know that he now has a transmission and offset spring plates. Hope this helps. Good luck!
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