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Wildthings
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Searching works better if you do
- Search Title Only
- click Posts verses Topics
Don't know if Everett could make these choices the default of not ?
It also helps to limit your search to the particular vehicle you are dealing with when this is applicable. |
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DeathBySnuSnu
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Anybody here try cam2 blue blood racing oil?
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Zdmk07
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I've mentioned going to syn oil in a 1970 Bug to 2 mechanics. Both said that's fine but u can never go back to conventional. I've always understood that was an old wives tale.
Are there any facts (not really looking for opinions) that support this that u are aware of? Is it a VW thing? Thx, Dennis. |
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It's a myth.
Instead of looking for evidence to debunk the myth, you must look for the facts to prove it is true.
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Zdmk07
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| vwracerdave wrote: |
It's a myth.
Instead of looking for evidence to debunk the myth, you must look for the facts to prove it is true. |
Either way someone goes would answer my question!!! Thx, Dennis. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| Zdmk07 wrote: |
| vwracerdave wrote: |
It's a myth.
Instead of looking for evidence to debunk the myth, you must look for the facts to prove it is true. |
Either way someone goes would answer my question!!! Thx, Dennis. |
So your mechanic friends say dumb things, and it's up to us to prove them right or wrong? Why not ask them for their sources? 
It sounds to me like they are getting your question mixed up with the difference between non-detergent and detergent oil. Unless you'd been using non-detergent oil in the past, there is no cause for concern.
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Zdmk07
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| Towel Rail wrote: |
| Zdmk07 wrote: |
| vwracerdave wrote: |
It's a myth.
Instead of looking for evidence to debunk the myth, you must look for the facts to prove it is true. |
Either way someone goes would answer my question!!! Thx, Dennis. |
So your mechanic friends say dumb things, and it's up to us to prove them right or wrong? Why not ask them for their sources?
It sounds to me like they are getting your question mixed up with the difference between non-detergent and detergent oil. Unless you'd been using non-detergent oil in the past, there is no cause for concern. |
I agree except for being dumb and u could be right on w confused issue. I would think more of an ignorance issue as not educated on synthetics. Ignorance is not a negative term in this respect. I believe it must be more of an old school issue and not knowing better. Same story u get w old cars and old motorcycles. Heard them both.
But being new to WVs I thought maybe some sort of VW issue and not an oil issue. But, I thought I had to ask on this oil thread. Just wanted to check here, no big issue. Thx, Dennis |
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| Zdmk07 wrote: |
| Towel Rail wrote: |
| Zdmk07 wrote: |
| vwracerdave wrote: |
It's a myth.
Instead of looking for evidence to debunk the myth, you must look for the facts to prove it is true. |
Either way someone goes would answer my question!!! Thx, Dennis. |
So your mechanic friends say dumb things, and it's up to us to prove them right or wrong? Why not ask them for their sources?
It sounds to me like they are getting your question mixed up with the difference between non-detergent and detergent oil. Unless you'd been using non-detergent oil in the past, there is no cause for concern. |
I agree except for being dumb and u could be right on w confused issue. I would think more of an ignorance issue as not educated on synthetics. Ignorance is not a negative term in this respect. I believe it must be more of an old school issue and not knowing better. Same story u get w old cars and old motorcycles. Heard them both.
But being new to WVs I thought maybe some sort of VW issue and not an oil issue. But, I thought I had to ask on this oil thread. Just wanted to check here, no big issue. Thx, Dennis |
Just for the record, I'm not calling you ignorant. We all have to start somewhere. Your mechanic friends have no excuse, though. Being old-school doesn't give you a pass to quit learning new things. Synthetics have been around for longer than I've been alive!
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Zdmk07
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| Just for the record, I'm not calling you ignorant. We all have to start somewhere. Your mechanic friends have no excuse, though. Being old-school doesn't give you a pass to quit learning new things. Synthetics have been around for longer than I've been alive! |
No problem as I didn't think u were speaking to me but of the mechanics. The ignorance comment was about them (defending why they may be afraid) and agreeing w what u said and they're just not educated w syn.
Old school mechanics is all I can find around Birmingham because sadly there's no money in air-cooled VWs and no one young will hop into business. But I am too crippled up to start crawling under cars or bending over into hoods again. I have no choices.
But sadly when I say old school, and I'm one, we are just somewhat set in our way. The 2 I talked to were probably close to my age (68 soon) and change sometimes scares us!!! They just don't know the truth and advantages. I used syn in vintage HD's and dropped oil temps approximately 20 degrees. Engine still gets to operating temps but oil cooled down.
We are good, thx Dennis. |
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modok
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| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Maxima is expanding the line too, now more tyoes of oil for racing and classics, and gear oil too. Got a new flyer the other day.
Somebody must be buying it. Kind of feel bad it isn't me, or, anybody on here either apparently. |
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I think it’s all hooey.
What’s wrong with real oil? Oh, the EPA regs.
Just get some Brad Penn, Lucas or some quality additive for your your oil of choice. |
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I stop in here every once in a while to observe the flaming dumpster fire from a safe distance, and found this that I felt appropriate-
But I also wanted to add a question. For break-in oil on a new engine, would regular oil with a ZDDP additive be good, or should I really buy a dedicated oil for this purpose? This is assuming proper break-in procedure, manufacturer recommended cam lube, etc.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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So moral of the story (I read about 20 pages of this and all it did was motivate me to research elsewhere);
-Pick a #W that matches your winter conditions (if they go below freezing at all in the winter)
-Pick a 30 or 40 on the 2nd number
-Zinc in the oil or a good zinc additive
yeah?
The only other thing I can hazard to guess is coefficient of thermal conductivity and specific heat, but my inclination is that they're all within a pretty narrow band, and likely all usable except at the extremes.
You want enough pressure to flow to the bearings, valves, etc... Not so much pressure that it kicks open the relief valves, and keeps oil from going to the cooler (at operating temp). |
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Agent47
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Found this oil discussion video on youtube. The guy specifically talks about air cooled oil and goes to a refinery to get a thorough insight on oils. It is in some regards basic info but still helpful.
https://youtu.be/99cJ5sHG0oI
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| Agent47 wrote: |
Found this oil discussion video on youtube. The guy specifically talks about air cooled oil and goes to a refinery to get a thorough insight on oils. It is in some regards basic info but still helpful.
https://youtu.be/99cJ5sHG0oI |
Nice video, but the conclusion just doesn't fit our 40-50 year old cars all that well. The original oils for these ancient engines just aren't available any more and even if they were you wouldn't want an oil with that low of a level of protection. What we are stuck with is figuring out which modern oils work well. The ACVW oil temperature regulating system is also unique and isn't addressed at all in the video. |
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Agent47
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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The biggest part that was relevent was getting oil with higher zinc which is similar to older oil. In the beginning the engine builder was discussing how cars with motors like the Porsche benefit from their "Racing" oil because of it higher zinc content that typical oils dont, because it fries catalytic converters. Beyond that the rest could be found out with a simple google search.
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