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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Several years ago I was an oil distributor and this publication I really liked. It’s still around little pricey or free if you are in business. Some of it you can get right off the website. It covers worldwide business so you’ll see trends and products before they hit the US market. Highly recommend.
https://www.lubesngreases.com/magazine/zddp-lives-on/ |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50337
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
Several years ago I was an oil distributor and this publication I really liked. It’s still around little pricey or free if you are in business. Some of it you can get right off the website. It covers worldwide business so you’ll see trends and products before they hit the US market. Highly recommend.
https://www.lubesngreases.com/magazine/zddp-lives-on/ |
That is a good article, thanks for posting. I knew oils seemed to have become markedly better over the last few years, but didn't know why. Sounds like having a less volatile variant of ZDDP has good all around benefits: less depletion of the amount of ZDDP in the oil over time so it last longer and less ZDDP fouling the converters. I had become quite cognizant that the processing of the base oils had improved. |
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francoangellini Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2012 Posts: 223 Location: Chile-South America
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Hi guys;
Will be fine for my bug stock 1600cc??....more than 1000 ppm Phosphorus, API service CK4.
Any experiences?
My best.
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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francoangellini wrote: |
Hi guys;
Will be fine for my bug stock 1600cc??....more than 1000 ppm Phosphorus??
Any experiences? |
It doesn't say that it is for use in gasoline engines, but does imply its okay so long as you don't have a catalytic converter. Otherwise I don't know if modern diesel oils that don't carry an "S" rating will do any harm to our older gas engine or not. |
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francoangellini Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2012 Posts: 223 Location: Chile-South America
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:09 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Wildthings wrote: |
francoangellini wrote: |
Hi guys;
Will be fine for my bug stock 1600cc??....more than 1000 ppm Phosphorus??
Any experiences? |
It doesn't say that it is for use in gasoline engines, but does imply its okay so long as you don't have a catalytic converter. Otherwise I don't know if modern diesel oils that don't carry an "S" rating will do any harm to our older gas engine or not. |
Good point, also zinc ppm is not informed... |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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francoangellini wrote: |
Good point, also zinc ppm is not informed... |
Read the article Zundfolge1432 linked to above:
https://www.lubesngreases.com/magazine/zddp-lives-on/
Also most oils with a second number of 40 or above aren't required to have reduced phosphorous so can run the amount of phosphorous the petroleum engineer designing them deems best to go with the rest of the anti-wear package. |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26779 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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"Oil extreme" Does that ring a bell? from maybe 10 years ago
At the time did not appear any different than the other snake oils, tho was endorsed by a handful of guys who weren't shills.
If it works why isn't everybody using it?
Products sold "direct to the consumer" usually means big companies won't buy their bull. But not always.
How is new oil better? ...Hint hint
And yet another example of why looking at the oil elemental analysis is misguided.
High Phosphorous....ok, You do not know if it is slow burn DZZP or or fast
If high calcium.... that might be tons of detergent OR Good ep additives
How will you know?
If you want to mix some 15-40 or 20-50 with some 10-30 to get around the regulations that's fine, but IMO the reputation of the product and instructions on the bottle, are more reliable than the oil analysis. |
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jfdestree Samba Member
Joined: March 02, 2007 Posts: 118 Location: Belgium.
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Are all those info suitable for European specs oil? |
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tcbuscg Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2021 Posts: 1 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Brad Penn has changed their name to PennGrade. it already contains a ZINC Additive.
I suck at math. does it meet the 1200-1500 PPM with .15% Zinc Mass to 1qt?
https://penngrade1.com/wp-content/uploads/PennGrad...s-2019.pdf
Glenn wrote: |
There's been too many topics on the same oil subject.
This will be a ongoing topic to discuss what oil works.
Any similar topics in other forums will be pointed to this one and then locked.
Let's keep to the facts and not get into any heated debates.
Basically "clean" oil is best with frequent changes. Organic vs synthetic, single grade vs multi grade, diesel vs gasoline, does it really matter?
Any BS will be deleted, so stay on topic.
Let the debate begin.
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"The most important thing is to change your oil, no matter what the type or grade. Apart from that, the overall consensus is to use 10/30 Oil for most climates worldwide and a lot of people in this thread recommend Brad Penn oil or your favorite oil plus a ZDDP additive."
ZDDP levels should be between 1200 - 1500 ppm, more is not better.
When in doubt, experts recommend having 10 psi per 1000 rpms. For example, if you are running at 3000 rpms on the freeway, you should have around 30 psi when at full operating temperature.
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Importance of choosing the correct oil weight |
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Cap10323 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 604 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Since purchase, I have been using exclusively Rotella T5 15W-40 high zinc oil.
This was recommended to me by multiple ACVW mechanics.
What's the general consensus on this oil? _________________ -Ian
'77 Westfalia - 2.0 F.I |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76902 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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A number of years ago Shell changed Rotella. i have since switched to Bradd Penn.
But i'm no expert. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
Member #1009
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evanfrucht Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 2180 Location: Laurel Canyon, CA
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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I used to use the T6 Rotella in my bug for years but after completing my new build I plan to use a mix of Brad penn and Motul 300v ester based oil after break in.
I still use the T6 Rotella in my wagon, but have thought about switching that over to BP also. _________________ 1967 Bug ( the daily rod )
1964 Fury Wagon ( the pavement shredder ) |
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Cap10323 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 604 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Glenn wrote: |
A number of years ago Shell changed Rotella. i have since switched to Bradd Penn.
But i'm no expert. |
I've heard that, but I didn't hear that it was nescissarily changed for the worse? _________________ -Ian
'77 Westfalia - 2.0 F.I |
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HBSTIZZ Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Recomendations for oil in southern california. 1914 motor |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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HBSTIZZ wrote: |
Recomendations for oil in southern california. 1914 motor |
10 psi per 1000 rpm on a well warmed up engine. |
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ekacpuc Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2010 Posts: 1414 Location: ketchikan alaska
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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There's alot of info here.. Maybe I missed it but anyone using royal purple HPS?
Shows up on my dipstick easier than the clear stuff lol. It has their own anti wear package, synthetic and plenty of zddp... |
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daos Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2017 Posts: 309 Location: Stockholm, SWE
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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any thoughts here on oils with MoS2 content? looking at a Liqui-Moly 10w-30 semi-synthetic. would prefer a fully synth, but it's the moly i'm interested in. |
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PuddleRainbow Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2018 Posts: 288 Location: The Dirtiest Of Jersey
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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I regularly run VR1 10w-30 in my 76 standard with factory 1600. I switched to BradPenn 10w-40 just before a 5800 mile July road trip from NJ to TX. Kept the BradPenn at the mid point oil change and then went back to the VR1 10w-30 when I got back to NJ.
The valve train noises are notably quieter with BradPenn than the VR1. Corroborating some of the previous posts on the subject. |
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57Airhead Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2010 Posts: 49 Location: East Oz
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Recommended oil for 2165 in a 57 bus with bypass filter and thermo cooler and extra sump. North Coast New South Wales, ambient temps 5C–late 30sC, (rarely early 40sC) in summer (say, 40-100F). Many oils mentioned in this thread hard to get in Aus -- Brad Penn, Rotella, Redline, etc. Preumim oils here Royal Purple, Amsoil, Kendall; more middle road Penrite. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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57Airhead wrote: |
Recommended oil for 2165 in a 57 bus with bypass filter and thermo cooler and extra sump. North Coast New South Wales, ambient temps 5C–late 30sC, (rarely early 40sC) in summer (say, 40-100F). Many oils mentioned in this thread hard to get in Aus -- Brad Penn, Rotella, Redline, etc. Preumim oils here Royal Purple, Amsoil, Kendall; more middle road Penrite. |
If your engine will make sufficient oil pressure running 5w30 then that would be a good choice. For myself since synthetic oils handle heat better I would choose a premium synthetic oil. |
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