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JFC3
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 Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:19 am Post subject: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| I'm considering a Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring header and exhaust for a 2110 being built for a 70 Beetle. The motor will have dual 44s, 110 cam, 40/35.5 heads. I want the engine to perform, but I also prefer quieter exhaust and minimal drone at highway speed. I know there are trade offs there. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has experience with the VS Quiet Sebring. Thanks. |
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Glenn 
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| Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:43 am Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| JFC3 wrote: |
a 2110 being built...110 cam,. I want the engine to perform,
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Get a better cam and who's heads?
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JFC3
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| Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| I'll have to ask. By perform I don't mean much more than run well and strong around town and for cruising, and have a little excitement to it. I'm not out to race anybody or set any records. |
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JFC3
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| Heads will be GTV2. Looks like the Abarth style exhaust is also an option for going under an apron without cutouts. I suppose either of those would be my VS options. I think I saw some posts about you having a dual quiet pack that you were happy with, Glenn. If those are still available I suppose that would be another option. Seems like there are a number of complaints about drone with the A1 Sidewinder, so I'm looking for other options. |
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flat4olsen
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| Heads will be GTV2. Looks like the Abarth style exhaust is also an option for going under an apron without cutouts. I suppose either of those would be my VS options. I think I saw some posts about you having a dual quiet pack that you were happy with, Glenn. If those are still available I suppose that would be another option. Seems like there are a number of complaints about drone with the A1 Sidewinder, so I'm looking for other options. |
Without knowing your budget, may I suggest, that you look into CSP Competition og even EVO Competition. Nice fit, not to loud and great performance
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JFC3
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| Yeah that looks really nice flat4olsen, but I don't think it will work because my rear apron doesn't have cutouts for the exhaust pipes. I like the look of the smooth apron that the car has (from a prior owner restoration) but kinda wish I had cutouts at this point for the engine project. |
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Glenn
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| Without knowing your budget, may I suggest, that you look into CSP Competition og even EVO Competition. Nice fit, not to loud and great performance |
So you're recommending a $1500 exhaust?
I would recommend this Vintage Speed exhaust... at 1//2 the price.
https://store.vintagespeed.com.tw/KARMANN-GHIA-AND...p132800973
I put it on a customer's 1915 and he loves it. Said it's not too loud since he drives the car a lot and usually his wife is with him.
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flat4olsen
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| Glenn wrote: |
| flat4olsen wrote: |
| Without knowing your budget, may I suggest, that you look into CSP Competition og even EVO Competition. Nice fit, not to loud and great performance |
So you're recommending a $1500 exhaust?
I would recommend this Vintage Speed exhaust... at 1//2 the price.
https://store.vintagespeed.com.tw/KARMANN-GHIA-AND...p132800973
I put it on a customer's 1915 and he loves it. Said it's not too loud since he drives the car a lot and usually his wife is with him. |
I did say “without knowing your budget”…  I use the CSP, and I’m very happy with it, but I’m sure you could go cheaper. Or take up origami, if you don’t want to spend money on your hobby.
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Glenn
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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I had a customer bring me an engine project he couldn't finish and it had the Evo.... I was not impressed. Requiring 4 hangers makes the installation a bit harder.
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flat4olsen
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| Glenn wrote: |
I had a customer bring me an engine project he couldn't finish and it had the Evo.... I was not impressed. Requiring 4 hangers makes the installation a bit harder.
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I didn’t recommend the CSP exhaust to impress you. I’m very satisfied with it, and that’s why I recommended it to the OP. I rest my case.
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Alstrup
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| Heads will be GTV2. Looks like the Abarth style exhaust is also an option for going under an apron without cutouts. I suppose either of those would be my VS options. I think I saw some posts about you having a dual quiet pack that you were happy with, Glenn. If those are still available I suppose that would be another option. Seems like there are a number of complaints about drone with the A1 Sidewinder, so I'm looking for other options. |
STAY AWAY from those stupid heads. Quality of the hardware is poor out of the box, the ports are terrible, so is the seat work. For a 2110 a set of Tims stage 1, Brothers or a set of corrected Panchito´s would be the the ticket. IF the cam is written in stone already I could actually see the point in going with a set of Tims stageII. I built a "box" 2110 engine around a W110 and a set of stageII heads some 10 years ago. I was positively surprised as to how well and relatively powerfull it was. i have forgotten the exact numbers, but it was in the 135 hp range.
Wrt exhaust. This : https://store.vintagespeed.com.tw/43MM-SUPER-SPORT-EL-SS143-EXHAUST-SYSTEMS-BUG-50-35-p132830345 Will suit the combo real well
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Glenn
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| I didn’t recommend the CSP exhaust to impress you. I’m very satisfied with it, and that’s why I recommended it to the OP. I rest my case. |
Glad you're happy with it.
Overly complicated in my opinion
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Glenn
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| I agree with Olsen. The EVO is AWESOME, complicated or not. WAY better than a Sidewinder. |
What about for a mild 2110 in a Beetle since that's what the OP wants it for?
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JFC3
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| Posted: Yesterday 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Vintage Speed Quiet Sebring Header and Mufflers |
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| Thanks everybody. I'm not sure the EVO or the extreme lowered VS Superflow would work on a beetle with a rear apron that has no cutouts. Looks like the Superflow fits a Ghia (no cutouts) so maybe it would work with a beetle that doesn't have them. I'll email VS and see what they say. No comments yet on the Sebring or the Abarth. Maybe they're not all that popular. I appreciate everyone's input. Thanks. |
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