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mightymax1800c Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2007 Posts: 2 Location: East Providence, RI
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: Domed 36 hp. pistons??? |
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wanted to knwo if anyone on here knows anythign about the domed VW 36hp pistons? |
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2002 Posts: 1867 Location: Clearwater Fl.
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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in the mid 90's i found a oval with a 36hp with a hole in the top of the block.the owner had the draeger dip stick oil temp gauge hanging in his shop. iknew there was a stoker crank in the engine so i bought it with out knowing.i took it home and the pistons were ruined but were domed top and the crank was a okrasa crank. it had empi stamped on it and i sold it to someone.anyway...it did not have barrel spacers that i can remember but it was still single port .whoever owned it went the chep route. |
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mightymax1800c Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2007 Posts: 2 Location: East Providence, RI
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: thanx |
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ok so they do exist. |
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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I have a set of 36-dome pistons & cyls,wanted to use in my 58ragtop.anyone know if a swap out replacement and compression ratio?? |
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oval56 Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 1309 Location: oktoberfest maintown
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: |
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some use later pistons from the 1200 engine, and machine the dome on it becaus 36 hp have one mm less fire land than the later pistons, so you can machine the dome..
also vw offerd formula vee pistons with dome, also for later 1200cc engines with 77mm bore _________________ www.oval56.com
1956 Oval, 2364ccm typ4
1957 Oval Ragtop 1584ccm singel port modified
1950 Hebmüller, 1584ccm okrasa modified
DBK Germany!!!!!!!!!!
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Mr. Motorhead Mad Scientist
Joined: January 06, 2004 Posts: 717 Location: Practitioner of 36hp alchemy
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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I'm running a set of dometops in a 57 sedan I drive every day.With the head flycut .040 and the domes it makes 7.5/1 compression.Never gets hot even though I've pushed it hard at 60-70 for the last 3000 miles (I'm not running a splitcase transmision).Only setup issue is a small clearance problem with the dome on the heads,an easy fix.Runs good on any grade gas,32-38mpg depending on how hard you step on it. _________________ 30 years experience in the sales of new and used auto parts!
36 horsepower parts for sale at http://www.aircooledresearch.com/
Or the new site at http://www.bugparts.com
Check out the Bonneville project:
http://aircooledresearch.com/docs/thebonnevilleproject.html#
"All limitations are self imposed."
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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I see a problm with 1200 pistons=pins are larger. |
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oval56 Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 1309 Location: oktoberfest maintown
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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morymob wrote: |
I see a problm with 1200 pistons=pins are larger. |
not the early ones or 1300 also with 20mm wrist pins _________________ www.oval56.com
1956 Oval, 2364ccm typ4
1957 Oval Ragtop 1584ccm singel port modified
1950 Hebmüller, 1584ccm okrasa modified
DBK Germany!!!!!!!!!!
www.dbkvw.com |
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Mr. Motorhead Mad Scientist
Joined: January 06, 2004 Posts: 717 Location: Practitioner of 36hp alchemy
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Let's talk a little bit about the small differences between 36hp (1200cc),40hp (1200cc),and 1300cc engines. 36hp and 40hp have a couple things in common.They share the same stroke of 64mm and a wrist pin size of 20mm,and same size piston of 77mm. The 40hp piston is 1mm taller than the 36hp piston.Don't get either confused with a 77mm piston from a 1300cc engine (22mm pin,different size ring grooves).A 1300cc engine is like a 1600 on the bottom end.69mm stroke and rods with a 22mm wrist pin.These came in US imports for just a couple years but was offered in the Euro std model as a dual port (please correct me if I'm wrong...).All US 1300 models had flat top pistons,but most Euro 1300s I've seen had dome tops.These (1300 dome tops) might make a good piston if you are useing a crank with Porsche rods since they have a 22mm pin size. _________________ 30 years experience in the sales of new and used auto parts!
36 horsepower parts for sale at http://www.aircooledresearch.com/
Or the new site at http://www.bugparts.com
Check out the Bonneville project:
http://aircooledresearch.com/docs/thebonnevilleproject.html#
"All limitations are self imposed."
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: mazda 323 77.5 mm pistons? |
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Some mentioned using mazda 323 77.5 pistons,what yr/engine did these come from also what is wr/pin size,rods,cys shims etc ??? |
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Unkl Ian Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2008 Posts: 288 Location: Near Toronto
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Some of the Mazda pins are 36 hp size. |
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petrol punk Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2007 Posts: 975 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Motorhead wrote: |
The 40hp piston is 1mm taller than the 36hp piston. |
That's not what my caliper says. Both read exactly 29mm from the top of the piston pin to the top top of the piston, both flat tops. _________________ 36hp '56 European DeLuxe oval, '70 bug 1835cc dual 36DRLA, and a '98 4x4 5spd single cab Tacoma |
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Mr. Motorhead Mad Scientist
Joined: January 06, 2004 Posts: 717 Location: Practitioner of 36hp alchemy
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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petrol punk wrote: |
Mr. Motorhead wrote: |
The 40hp piston is 1mm taller than the 36hp piston. |
That's not what my caliper says. Both read exactly 29mm from the top of the piston pin to the top top of the piston, both flat tops. |
Sounds like you're measureing two 40hp pistons.......sometimes 40hp pistons got swapped in some 36hp engine builds for more compression,and yes they will make a cute little dome top if you have some machineing skills.
I just measured some NOS 77mm 40hp and some 77mm 36hp that came out of an engine I'm building for a customer.......the NOS 40hp was 1mm taller.Not trying to make an argument of it,but everything factory spec is this size until you get into non-factory piston and barrel sets,that's a whole different deal.Some makers of 77mm P/C sets just made tooling for one size piston to fit both 36hp and 40hp applications thus making it a bit more of a profitable venture for such a small market. _________________ 30 years experience in the sales of new and used auto parts!
36 horsepower parts for sale at http://www.aircooledresearch.com/
Or the new site at http://www.bugparts.com
Check out the Bonneville project:
http://aircooledresearch.com/docs/thebonnevilleproject.html#
"All limitations are self imposed."
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petrol punk Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2007 Posts: 975 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Motorhead wrote: |
petrol punk wrote: |
Mr. Motorhead wrote: |
The 40hp piston is 1mm taller than the 36hp piston. |
That's not what my caliper says. Both read exactly 29mm from the top of the piston pin to the top top of the piston, both flat tops. |
Sounds like you're measureing two 40hp pistons.......sometimes 40hp pistons got swapped in some 36hp engine builds for more compression,and yes they will make a cute little dome top if you have some machineing skills.
I just measured some NOS 77mm 40hp and some 77mm 36hp that came out of an engine I'm building for a customer.......the NOS 40hp was 1mm taller.Not trying to make an argument of it,but everything factory spec is this size until you get into non-factory piston and barrel sets,that's a whole different deal.Some makers of 77mm P/C sets just made tooling for one size piston to fit both 36hp and 40hp applications thus making it a bit more of a profitable venture for such a small market. |
It appears you're right, I went back and measured some more pistons I pulled out of my 36hp and 3 of them checked out at 28mm and one of them at 29mm. I knew the PO was a hack but damn. _________________ 36hp '56 European DeLuxe oval, '70 bug 1835cc dual 36DRLA, and a '98 4x4 5spd single cab Tacoma |
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