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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Fix that Loose sliding door handle on an early Vanagon Reply with quote

jimf909 wrote:

Bus Depot says it "may be possible to swap out the lock core."

Does anyone know if the Vanagon lock core can indeed be swapped into the aftermarket handle? I'd like to have a handle that can be locked with the ignition key.(Attaching the two broken handle parts with screws and a plate is possible but I'd prefer a one-piece solution).

(Yes, I called Bus Depot. They didn't have an answer.)


(Just as a quick preface, I see that the thread title references "early Vanagon" which for slider doors is up to 1984. I see that there are other questions in this thread about later sliders, but I think it's best if anyone has an '85 or later slider question, to avoid this thread as the title will make it harder for those in the future to find their answers.)

Now to try to answer your question: I know someone who bought the later sliding door handle from Bus Depot and said he was able to make it work in swapping out the lock cylinder. I don't know exactly what he did, but he said that he had to file down something and it fit. I can try to ask or ask him to post here.

Edit- I looked back at an old message with the guy who swapped the old cylinder into the aftermarked "AH key" handle and he says he did it without mods. I do remember someone who had to make a minor mod, though. Maybe it depends on the manufacturer. If it were me, I'd buy the Bus Depot one and try to make it work. A few years ago I bought one from Van Cafe for my '84. it was the original style with the Vanagon "N" key profile. I paid a bit more to get that one. It seems the original style is harder to find, if anyone has it at all.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Fix that Loose sliding door handle on an early Vanagon Reply with quote

Hello,

My '90 outside slider door handle broke yesterday. Sad The only one listed in the classifieds was sold long ago (https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?submit=yes&type=text&section%5B%5D=57&keywords=slid*+handle)

Van Cafe and Bus Depot list an aftermarket unit that cannot be re-keyed to the ignition key.

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Aftermarket sliding door handle. Fits 85 thru 91. About the only thing that we can find wrong with these handles is that they use the Volkswagen Jetta/Golf Mk II/Mk III (AH code) key stock and therefore it cannot be re-keyed to your existing (N code) Vanagon key stock. https://www.vancafe.com/251843704EAFT-p/251843704eaft.htm?CartID=4

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Note, this is new production and it uses an "AH" profile (Golf/Jetta) key rather than the "N" profile key that Vanagons originally used. Therefore it cannot be rekeyed to use your existing key; however it may be possible to swap the whole lock cylinder from your old sliding door handle and thereby use the original key. https://www.busdepot.com/251843704e

Bus Depot says it "may be possible to swap out the lock core."

Does anyone know if the Vanagon lock core can indeed be swapped into the aftermarket handle? I'd like to have a handle that can be locked with the ignition key.(Attaching the two broken handle parts with screws and a plate is possible but I'd prefer a one-piece solution).

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Thanks for any answers or suggestions.

(Yes, I called Bus Depot. They didn't have an answer.)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Re: Fix that Loose sliding door handle on an early Vanagon Reply with quote

Thanks for the GoWesty link. I purchased a handle for my 84 (long one) about two months...... just haven't got around to tackling the job.

Maybe this video will motivate me!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: Fix that Loose sliding door handle on an early Vanagon Reply with quote

To anyone still reading this thread: GoWesty has a good DIY video that shows how to remove & replace a Vanagon sliding door handle.


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There are two different door handles: one for 1980 - early 85 vs. another for later 1985 - 91 Vanagons. Replacement parts may be out-of-stock & hard to find. These handles get a lot of wear & tear, obviously.

And yes, it looks like DRY graphite powder is recommended for the locks, not grease.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Fix that Loose sliding door handle on an early Vanagon Reply with quote

Just piling on...

Here's my destroyed sliding door handle. Good times.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the thread and the info from those on it.

My problem isn't so much that the handle is loose (it is a bit), but that it's so stiff to open that my wife can't do it a lot of the time. She pushes down but she doesn't have the necessary leverage. Now she's no weakling, she's just not as strong as I am. I give it a sturdy shove downward and it pops open.

Would taking it apart and greasing it help in that situation?



PS, the Key doesn't work on that lock and the rear catch doesn't catch anymore (spring issues), but that's different and not as urgent
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I bought my handle from BD there were only two choices for the handle. I am assuming the difference between the power locks and manual. Not exactly sure though.

No choices for this kinda stuff in Haines. We are headed south next week and I have some stops planned along the way to look for random parts. Its the Alaska penalty. You can ship it here but its gonna cost you.
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, AKWesty.

Yeah I was afraid someone was going to say that. I don't know about in Haines, but there are not any vans in the local junk yards here. Ill have to use the classifieds. I wonder if they are the same for all vans without auto locks?
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey neighbor, I just replaced my sliding door handle because it was extremely loose. Upon replacing I inspected the worn areas of the latch assembly. The new handle is much tighter but I could see wear inside the door assembly and though better, it is still a little loose.

I took my panel off thinking I needed to adjust my cable. I PB blasted the rear locking mechanism but my cable was tight. Door opens and shuts much easier after PB blasting years of crud off the mechanism but the handle is still a little loose. I decided there was nothing more I could do besides finding a new handle mechanism off a salvage door.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a way to tighten the front sliding-door lock? (p.58.3) I have changed out the handle twice and replaced all the hardware to make sure its all correct and the handle is still very loose. If I move the handle and watch the screw, it looks like the lock mechanism it-self is loose. No matter how tight I tighten the screw, the inner part of the door lock seems to be moving around.

Do these wear out?

Thanks for any help.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you will find that you probably need to adjust cable in door that goes from handle to rear latch.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a problem with the key or lock. For some reason or other the aft latch is not releasing. I can open the door from the outside but from inside I pull the handle and throw my body at the door and it opens real easily! Tomorrow I will slowly and carefully remove the door liner. Hopefully info in my on board Bentley.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, my modification/reinforcement to the handle is still holding up after 3 years...

Just thought i'd throw down that little update. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

I have a '87 Westy and I just noticed that my outside cargo door handle is missing about half of the plastic seal/escutcheon between the handle and the body. Now water will be able to get inside the door.

Question #1: Is this seal for an '87 handle to body still available anywhere, and if not, is there an alternative seal or fix. Or does somone out there have a decent condition used seal?

Question #2: Is there a write up on how to remove the inner door panel and outer handle to add a new seal for the "later" '87 Vanagon, or is the procedure the same as the "earlier" handle.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction towards a new (or used) seal, and directions on how to get it done!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good key is a key starting point. The parts that stick out on either side are part of the way they lock up. Wrong key will make some stick out on top, some on the bottom. You can remove material from either end, or as I mentioned, if it is a lot, not use that wafer. Sometimes re-arranging them can make it better, they are all different sizes.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Getting the concept Reply with quote

I got it apart and now grasp the whole concept...Somebody really greased the sh__ out of this thing.

Got most of the thick grease off and removed and cleaned the wafers....careful of the tiny springs...haven't lost any yet.

When re-assembled, several of the wafers stick up a tiny bit...one more than others. Wonder if it might partially be cause the key is worn.

Also wonder if the ends of that spring that stick out past the cylinder hang on anything ?? Are they supposed to stick out like that?

Is the number on the square handle shaft the key code? Maybe I'll start by having a new key made from the code.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use some brake clean or other solvent to get the cylinder clean. The little wafers are spring loaded with incredibly tiny springs. The tumblers should all be flush when the key is inserted. You can pull the offending wafer out and see if it is the offending one by testing without it. You can either file the top down a bit, until it is level or remove it entirely. The lock will work with fewer wafers (be sure to get the little spring as well). You can re-assemble it with a little dry graphite. VW, oddly enough, uses grease on new ones.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Found set screw....now what ? Reply with quote

I found the little set screw hiding under some hardened grease. Got the lock cylinder out...very greasy with graphite type grease.

Now I'm not sure what I'm looking for...the cause of the hang up that won't let me lock the door. It unlocks, counterclockwise but key sometimes hangs up and won't turn clockwise.

When I put the key in it appears several tumblers protrude a little bit on one side...recessed on the other ..particularly the last tumbler....it will mash down flush if I press on it lightly, but it doesn't just fall into place when the key is inserted.

So if the tumblers are recessed on oneside of the cylinder is ...that why it unlocks in the counter clockwise direction ??? ..then the one protruding on the other side prevent it from going clockwise??? I know this isn't rocket science, but I don't quite get how it's all suppposed to work yet.

There's a lot of grease on the cylinder....should there be so much? Seems like the friction of the grease could cause the tumblers to hang up a little when the key is inserted.

If the tumblers are supposed to fall down flush when the key is inserted...but don't...do I just file them down until they're flush?

Then there's the spring that returns the key to center postion. Confused about how to get that back in place. Am I supposed to put that on the end of the cylinder before sliding the whole thing back in.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I uploaded the ETK blow apart view.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been a while since I messed with the later style slider handles, but there is a set screw, but its hole may be filled in with crud. I had fun with mine, as it was kind of worn, but persistence payed and I got it out. When you do find the hole, put some penetrating oil in it before you mess with it, it can get kind of frozen in there.
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