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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: |
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digging up and old thread, Particularly directed at warren as it looks like he has done what I am going to try and do:
I just got a Behr unit complete and I would like to tie it into my existing unit when I start redoing the westy in the next few months. the unit I have has 2 fans on it and looks like 2 fan controls for a "dual zone" type setup. Am I correct?
What I would like to do is possibly make one switch run the 2 fans in the Behr unit, and the other replace the current switch for the rear, allthogh the rear is 4 speed as oppsed to the fronts 3. Also could the rear temp control be controled by the same one that is on the Behr faceplate? That would do away with rear "switches that are just to the right of my stereo and I coul possibly use that area for the vent install instead of the usual radio spot. I definitly can't loose my radio spot unless it maybe whent overhead, as I use it too much while camping, that remote is really handy to have!
Any reccomendations? _________________ Markus |
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dixoncj Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Kayak westy. Here's my Advice: DO NOT USE A EUROPEAN COOLER AIR SETUP. We installed one - spent thousands and RIPPED THE WHOLE DAMN THING OUT to replace it with a Behr. Jerry's a nice enough guy, but his follow thru and customer service were terrible. The expert VW shop I had do the A/C work was far from impressed with the setup at all and advised me against it. I should have listened.The ONLY way I would even consider going with one of Jerry's units is if you use a rear A/C in addtion to a front and use a very cold refrigerant like HFC12a. But I think you're asking for trouble basically. |
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Crankey Samba Member
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anyone ever experience a swamp cooler ? |
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dixoncj Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: |
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swamp coolers only work in desert climates |
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bucko Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2004 Posts: 2617 Location: Coppell, Texas
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
digging up and old thread, Particularly directed at warren as it looks like he has done what I am going to try and do:
I just got a Behr unit complete and I would like to tie it into my existing unit when I start redoing the westy in the next few months. the unit I have has 2 fans on it and looks like 2 fan controls for a "dual zone" type setup. Am I correct?
What I would like to do is possibly make one switch run the 2 fans in the Behr unit, and the other replace the current switch for the rear, allthogh the rear is 4 speed as oppsed to the fronts 3. Also could the rear temp control be controled by the same one that is on the Behr faceplate? That would do away with rear "switches that are just to the right of my stereo and I coul possibly use that area for the vent install instead of the usual radio spot. I definitly can't loose my radio spot unless it maybe whent overhead, as I use it too much while camping, that remote is really handy to have!
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The minivan craze of the late 80's and early 90's put out tons of vehicles that had dual AC units that where able to be controlled together, or seperate. So I'd say yes, you could have one temp switch to control the front and rear together. That's the easy part of the answer. Now the hard part is how to wire it up. I'd suggest attempting to get ahold of a wiring schematic from a Dodge Caravan that had the dual AC setup, and mimic that. I'm guessing they too had two evaporators (what you are wanting to use) with their own fans. Each evaporator would need it's own temp switch sensor to connect to the dash temp switch you are wanting to do.
So, if it's looked at as one AC compressor driving two evap systems like the caravans (and others), you should be able to make it work.
In Orlando, there are AC shops that go by the name of "Ice Cold Auto Air". Are they in your neck of the woods? They do custom work, such as muscle car and street rod AC installation. I'd contact someone like that. _________________ Current VW drives: 1984 Westfalia
Past VW drives: 1967 Beetle, 1973 Beetle, 1977 Bus, 1971 Military Type 181 |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2003 Posts: 1839 Location: Englewood, FL
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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bucko wrote: |
[email protected] wrote: |
digging up and old thread, Particularly directed at warren as it looks like he has done what I am going to try and do:
I just got a Behr unit complete and I would like to tie it into my existing unit when I start redoing the westy in the next few months. the unit I have has 2 fans on it and looks like 2 fan controls for a "dual zone" type setup. Am I correct?
What I would like to do is possibly make one switch run the 2 fans in the Behr unit, and the other replace the current switch for the rear, allthogh the rear is 4 speed as oppsed to the fronts 3. Also could the rear temp control be controled by the same one that is on the Behr faceplate? That would do away with rear "switches that are just to the right of my stereo and I coul possibly use that area for the vent install instead of the usual radio spot. I definitly can't loose my radio spot unless it maybe whent overhead, as I use it too much while camping, that remote is really handy to have!
Any reccomendations? |
The minivan craze of the late 80's and early 90's put out tons of vehicles that had dual AC units that where able to be controlled together, or seperate. So I'd say yes, you could have one temp switch to control the front and rear together. That's the easy part of the answer. Now the hard part is how to wire it up. I'd suggest attempting to get ahold of a wiring schematic from a Dodge Caravan that had the dual AC setup, and mimic that. I'm guessing they too had two evaporators (what you are wanting to use) with their own fans. Each evaporator would need it's own temp switch sensor to connect to the dash temp switch you are wanting to do.
So, if it's looked at as one AC compressor driving two evap systems like the caravans (and others), you should be able to make it work.
In Orlando, there are AC shops that go by the name of "Ice Cold Auto Air". Are they in your neck of the woods? They do custom work, such as muscle car and street rod AC installation. I'd contact someone like that. |
Yea for the life of me I can't remember how my dual a/c was controlled in my '86 suburban Diesel back in the day, I thnk the rear just had a fan switch though. I guess when I go hit the junkyard I should peruse caravan section- easy enough to do as usually 3/4 of the vehicles in FL junkyards are caravans
I never heard of that company, I'll look into it though. I'll probably head up to Clearwater and talk with Ed@Gilmore enterprises, hes the one that makes a/c units for aircooled that blow I.C.E.ones out of the water. Maybe he can point in the right direction I need to talk to him about getting a unit for my single cab anyway _________________ Markus |
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Tiiconaut Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:32 am Post subject: |
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This may be a crazy idea but, has anyone tried a simple Honda 2000i generator and portable AC combo?
These new generators are super quiet and can run up to 15 hours per gallon. they have internal inverters. They automatically maintain thier engine speed and power output to the most efficient level under all usage loads. (increases RPM's for a few seconds when it senses the AC powering up)
There are just so many more things to go wrong with installing AC....and the compressor decreases gas mileage/horsepower. there could be a way to weld up a mount for the Honda 2000i maybe in the right side air-intake area which is empty in my i4 conversion. |
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campism Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2007 Posts: 4492 Location: Richmond VA
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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"I'd suggest attempting to get ahold of a wiring schematic from a Dodge Caravan that had the dual AC setup, and mimic that."
My other van is a '95 Plymouth Grand Voyager with the dual A/C and I will check the Haynes manual to see how this is set up. It may be worth pursuing.
Later that night: Haynes gives it about 1 1/4 pages on the location and diagram of the rear A/C with only the most basic of info, and one more page of the total A/C schematic. You'd need to be pretty handy, intuitive and creative to apply this to your own situation, but it might be worth a try. Heaven knows, some of you guys are wizards where these vans are concerned. |
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I am Wildcat Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2011 Posts: 318 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:07 pm Post subject: European Cooler Air |
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I wanted to brush off the cobwebs on this thread to see if anyone else has any long term, first-hand experience using one of the Vanagon a/c setups from European Cooler Air. Please note, first-hand experience. Not just opinion and conjecture.
Now that it's been several years, I'm curious if those with problems are still having problems or if they decided to go a different way. Perhaps the materials and/or install technique have improved over the last 4 years or so? I appreciate your information. _________________ No more van. Wildcat has a new home.
1997 Land Rover Defender 90
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dixoncj Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Wildcat - check yer Private msgs. |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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dixoncj wrote: |
Wildcat - check yer Private msgs. |
C'mon share with us. I don't want to go poking in your private mail..... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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dixoncj Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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I dont' think it's good 'vanma' to slam anyone's product publicly on a bboard. Hence the PM. |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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dixoncj wrote: |
I dont' think it's good 'vanma' to slam anyone's product publicly on a bboard. Hence the PM. |
Understand, BUT I believe you already did some time ago in an above post:
dixoncj wrote: |
Kayak westy. Here's my Advice: DO NOT USE A EUROPEAN COOLER AIR SETUP. We installed one - spent thousands and RIPPED THE WHOLE DAMN THING OUT to replace it with a Behr. Jerry's a nice enough guy, but his follow thru and customer service were terrible. The expert VW shop I had do the A/C work was far from impressed with the setup at all and advised me against it. I should have listened.The ONLY way I would even consider going with one of Jerry's units is if you use a rear A/C in addtion to a front and use a very cold refrigerant like HFC12a. But I think you're asking for trouble basically. |
_________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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dixoncj Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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D'ohhh! Well, it was pretty much exactly that. Nothing against ECA personally, but the unit we put in a van was a waste of money. |
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dr. no Samba Member
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We now have a diesel (1.6td) in the bus, and have not yet found a way to attach a compressor to this. Otherwise, no new comments to prior postings. With front and back units it would cool the bus except driving into sunset in high summer (and we get summer most months...).
Since then I have torn into the dash (also converted auto-->manual) and found nothing horrible about the installation, except it is difficult to get the various hoses back in.
BTW, anyone have a source for the vent that fits in the radio slot? _________________ Scott
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'86 MB 300GD
'06 MB Sprinter
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'89 Isuzu Trooper
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r39o Samba Polizei
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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dr. no wrote: |
BTW, anyone have a source for the vent that fits in the radio slot? |
X2
I have 2 Behr units for parts to use and the center vent seems to be the bane of the assembly. They break, it seems.....Plus I want black. My (broken ones) are brown..... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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I am Wildcat Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:58 am Post subject: New Mexico A/C Installer - Vintage Air Cooled |
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I contacted Vintage Air in San Antonio, Texas to see if they offered a product specifically for the Vanagon. They said they do not, but they do have a dealer that installs in VW vehicles. That dealer is Vintage Air Cooled in New Mexico. I can't seem to find a web site on them, so I thought I would post here to see if anyone has any experiences with them. Speak up if you do! _________________ No more van. Wildcat has a new home.
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?Waldo? Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: |
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dr. no wrote: |
We now have a diesel (1.6td) in the bus, and have not yet found a way to attach a compressor to this. |
You can use the AAZ serpentine belt setup along with the a/c compressor, alt (w/ clutched pulley and the TDI crank sprocket) and power steering (if fitted) and it will all fit under the engine lid. Full details on the install here:
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=9599.msg137951#msg137951 |
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Williamtaylor33 Samba Member
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randywebb Samba Member
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bump as the lack of a/c (not lack of a Syncro, Subaru AWD) is the main factor limiting my use of the Westy
- any other options for getting a complete, useful a/c installed somewhere by somebody?? _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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