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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:29 am Post subject: Re: Fiat 8V |
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Of all the cars reputed to be predecessors of our Karmann Ghia, this one seems to come the closest. What a gorgeous body. There are a lot of design cues that fortunately got passed on. |
Yes I have to agree on the design cues being passed up for the Karmann Ghia. I think the timelessness of the KG shape is its simplicity...no design gimmicks, which is usually what dates a design faster than any other. The KG design simplicity was surely aided by the need to create a car to a tight budget.
Although costing considerably more than the Beetle the Karmann Ghia was cheap for a hand built car. _________________ John.
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Endopotential Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2012 Posts: 186 Location: Pacifica, California
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Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:44 pm Post subject: Fiat 8V |
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Of all the cars reputed to be predecessors of our Karmann Ghia, this one seems to come the closest. What a gorgeous body. There are a lot of design cues that fortunately got passed on.
This one just sold for $1.8 million.
Hmm, just a matter of time before our KG's start racking up 7 figures?
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/autos/2013/03/13/ameila-island-million-dollar-cars/5.html
The sleek body on this Fiat was created by Ghia, an auto design company most famous for its work with Chrysler. In fact, when Chrysler executives got word that this model was in the works, Chrysler designer and engineer Paul Farago put in an order for this particular car, the first of only 15 made. It caused a sensation as it hit the roads in the United States and was even featured in Motor Trend magazine. |
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DONGKG The Araneta Boys
Joined: August 28, 2006 Posts: 5475 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines, "A Certified Type 3 and Karmann Ghia Maniac"
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retrowagen Samba Member
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The Ghia-Aigle Coupe is interesting and pretty. Ghia-Aigle was an independent Swiss-based offshoot of Carrozzeria Ghia; they shared a designer or two briefly but then worked in separate spheres and had nothing to do with another. The Ghia-Aigle Coupe was one of many coachbuilts from independent coachbuilders (such as Rometsch, Wendler, Drews, Hebmüller, Beutler, etc.) trying to either grab contract work for Volkswagen (as Hebmüller and Karmann had successfully done, Hebmüller semi-successfully, that is), or individual commission work from wealthy Europeans seeking a stylish, exclusive, and trouble-free economy car. At the time it was built, Ghia-Aigle was in the midst of a three-year relocation in Lugano, Switzerland (Canton Ticino, an Italian-speaking region of CH), not its namesake Aigle (Canton Vaud, a French-speaking region of CH).
Right around the year 2000, the VW Automuseum bought a few interesting coachbuilts, and have restored them, including the gold-colored Beutler Coupe and this car. The original Ghia-Aigle featured (much better looking) hubcaps in place of the current, rather mundane wheel combo now seen, was not painted an art deco color, and did not have a Super Beetle shift knob.
Complete history about this individual car here: http://www.ghia-aigle.info/cars.htm
More history about the coachbuilding firm here: http://www.ghia-aigle.info/index.htm _________________ David Ruby
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2903 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty car, but that roofless bus in the last photo looks interesting as well.
Not sure how comfortable I'd be in traffic though...
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c21darrel Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Nice find Gary, looks like it has a dehne fuel gauge. |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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Gary Person of Interest
Joined: November 01, 2002 Posts: 17069 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:48 am Post subject: |
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_________________ West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943) |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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h2odrx Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2011 Posts: 56 Location: Eastern Neckville NC
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so was it the chicken or the egg???? _________________ -
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Remember, we aren't eating this stuff, we're turning it into diesel fuel. Your truck only cares about viscosity, acidity, and BTUs. Nothing else. -unknown? |
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Kaygee Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I see a Ghia influence in the BMW; nose, hood, horizontal grilles, bumper blade.
I have also gotten the Studebaker question about my `69. _________________ Who's ur Data? |
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Gary Person of Interest
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retrowagen wrote: |
Gary wrote: |
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I wonder who BMW chose to style the BMW 503?
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It was a German industrial designer of noble heritage by the name of Albrecht von Goertz, working independently of any styling "house" or studio. He might be more famous for styling the original Datsun 240Z... |
I rather suspect he borrowed some styling cues from Karmann. |
Sorry, not seeing that. Care to elaborate? |
To me the bulging nose and the curves in general especially with the front fenders.
When I delivered this car to a buyer in Colorado, I was asked if it was a Studebaker.
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retrowagen Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Gary wrote: |
retrowagen wrote: |
Gary wrote: |
I wonder who BMW chose to style the BMW 503?
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It was a German industrial designer of noble heritage by the name of Albrecht von Goertz, working independently of any styling "house" or studio. He might be more famous for styling the original Datsun 240Z... |
I rather suspect he borrowed some styling cues from Karmann. |
Sorry, not seeing that. Care to elaborate? _________________ David Ruby
President, Karmann-Ghia World Club |
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Gary Person of Interest
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:16 am Post subject: |
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retrowagen wrote: |
Gary wrote: |
I wonder who BMW chose to style the BMW 503?
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It was a German industrial designer of noble heritage by the name of Albrecht von Goertz, working independently of any styling "house" or studio. He might be more famous for styling the original Datsun 240Z... |
I rather suspect he borrowed some styling cues from Karmann. _________________ West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943) |
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retrowagen Samba Member
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Gary wrote: |
I wonder who BMW chose to style the BMW 503?
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It was a German industrial designer of noble heritage by the name of Albrecht von Goertz, working independently of any styling "house" or studio. He might be more famous for styling the original Datsun 240Z... _________________ David Ruby
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Gary Person of Interest
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: |
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I wonder who BMW chose to style the BMW 503?
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DONGKG The Araneta Boys
Joined: August 28, 2006 Posts: 5475 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines, "A Certified Type 3 and Karmann Ghia Maniac"
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i'm definitely a KG buff, but i have to say that the chrysler looks really good to me... if i came across a crashed KG and a bunch of sheet metal there might be trouble. if custom built, it'd be a cinch to slip in a good size motor and tranny under that big front end, put a posi in the back, get some good rubber and surprise the hell out of some of those imported rice-burners... |
Yeah! That would be cool! _________________ '67 KG Cabrio (Mickey) ;
'66 Type 3 (Sharky 2)
'72 Type 2 Homey
'67 Splitty Bus
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NiccoHel Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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i'm definitely a KG buff, but i have to say that the chrysler looks really good to me... if i came across a crashed KG and a bunch of sheet metal there might be trouble. if custom built, it'd be a cinch to slip in a good size motor and tranny under that big front end, put a posi in the back, get some good rubber and surprise the hell out of some of those imported rice-burners... _________________ 1969 Ghia Coupe
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DONGKG The Araneta Boys
Joined: August 28, 2006 Posts: 5475 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines, "A Certified Type 3 and Karmann Ghia Maniac"
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Towel Rail wrote: |
God does that d'Elegance look ugly with its deep-set headlights. |
Ha ha ha. And the front grills too. It looks sad~~~ha ha ha.
Yeah, are we all biased on our comment on this d'Elegance? What you do think a d-Elegence buff would say about the Karmann Ghia? Huh,nice question~~~~ _________________ '67 KG Cabrio (Mickey) ;
'66 Type 3 (Sharky 2)
'72 Type 2 Homey
'67 Splitty Bus
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed
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God does that d'Elegance look ugly with its deep-set headlights. _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
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