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joetiger Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 5078 Location: denver
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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One thing to remember, and this will be far on down the line...
The Vanagon engine carrier bar is NOT SYMMETRICAL. Make sure you install it right the first time, with the bar leaning in towards the front of the Vanagon. If your VW motor mounts are all twisty, you'll know it's backwards...
That's one of those little things that I learned the frustrating way.
Good luck!!! _________________ Joe T.
'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'04 GTI 1.8T
'04 Golf R32
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
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ChesterKV Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2005 Posts: 1725 Location: El Cerrito, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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I didn't notice this before but take a look at one of the random stickers that came with the car (previous owners are new age hippies...and pretty cool folk)
Look at the left lower cheek of this fun CareDEATHbear
_________________ 1984 Wolfsburg 7-passenger stock sunroof
1992 Subaru Legacy EJ22 boxer motor installed.... van is now sold.... currently playing with a 1987 Toyota MR2 with 1.6 liter twin-cam motor. Better than the Subaru boxers....... I'm impressed. Well, okay, in an "apples and oranges" kind of way. |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Good compression numbers, and this with a 200,000 mile motor!
Now, have fun pulling that harness. |
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ChesterKV Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2005 Posts: 1725 Location: El Cerrito, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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levi wrote: |
Good compression numbers, and this with a 200,000 mile motor!
Now, have fun pulling that harness. |
AHEM.....180,000 miles....20,000 miles represents three years of driving for me.....
I'm pretty amazed at the design, smoothness, and stout nature of this motor. It's really amazing to me that Volkswagen couldn't design something even remotely close to it. Regardless, I'll be yanking the "old" 2.2 GoWesty probably Friday to sell it hopefully over the weekend. I'm too busy with the kind of work that pays money until then....how annoying....and weird _________________ 1984 Wolfsburg 7-passenger stock sunroof
1992 Subaru Legacy EJ22 boxer motor installed.... van is now sold.... currently playing with a 1987 Toyota MR2 with 1.6 liter twin-cam motor. Better than the Subaru boxers....... I'm impressed. Well, okay, in an "apples and oranges" kind of way. |
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fuzzymath Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 175 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I'm just about as far as you, freakness. I am planning on being done in two weeks working nights and weekends. We'll see how that goes.
_________________ Note to self: Finish your projects. |
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pete000 Samba Member
Joined: July 29, 2004 Posts: 642 Location: Ocala FL
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Looking like a great start. Keep the pictures coming. I want to do a swap ! _________________ 1990 Vanagon RS 2.1
1967 Deluxe 21 window
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Koni Shocks
H & R Red Springs
Addco Sway Bars Front-Rear
18 X 7.5 and 18 X 8 OEM Porsche Wheels
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ChesterKV Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2005 Posts: 1725 Location: El Cerrito, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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fuzzymath wrote: |
Well, I'm just about as far as you, freakness. I am planning on being done in two weeks working nights and weekends. We'll see how that goes.
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Dude...you are at least a month ahead of me. I haven't ordered anything from Kennedy yet.....d'oh
Is your old wbx motor still in the van; out of it?; sold ?; if sold, how much ? _________________ 1984 Wolfsburg 7-passenger stock sunroof
1992 Subaru Legacy EJ22 boxer motor installed.... van is now sold.... currently playing with a 1987 Toyota MR2 with 1.6 liter twin-cam motor. Better than the Subaru boxers....... I'm impressed. Well, okay, in an "apples and oranges" kind of way. |
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RichBenn Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2005 Posts: 703 Location: Lake Tahoe, NV
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Keep posting pics, folks! As the original poster said, it's SO much easier following stuff here than on the Subaru/Vanagon list. I too just got a 2.2L wrecked donor, and the harness is almost out. But I'll probably not drop it in until after camping season.... _________________ Rich |
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ChesterKV Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2005 Posts: 1725 Location: El Cerrito, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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loogy wrote: |
My opinion? Order as many parts from Vanaru as you can and if your not going to do your own wiring harness, have Tom Shiels do it or at least test it when it's done. Go with the shortened oil pan. It is not a detriment to the engine (you still run the same amount of oil as you would with a full length pan) and you don't have the pan hanging down as a liability just waiting to connect with a semi truck tire chunk laying in the middle of the freeway.
I am not the biggest SmallCar fan. I feel that some of their parts are just OK/barely good enough. There are better parts out there. I know that I seem to be in the minority on this so let's just leave it at that. |
I've been in touch with Vanaru and they told me....FORGET about them as a source for conversion parts. Since I'm in California the ONLY thing I can purchase from them that would pass inspection is their reverse manifold
cooling system. I like the fact that they were straightforward about it and they recommended I go with as much of the Kennedy products as possible. This is due to Kennedy's CARB certification for 2.2 conversions.
Ahh.....life in the GOLDEN State _________________ 1984 Wolfsburg 7-passenger stock sunroof
1992 Subaru Legacy EJ22 boxer motor installed.... van is now sold.... currently playing with a 1987 Toyota MR2 with 1.6 liter twin-cam motor. Better than the Subaru boxers....... I'm impressed. Well, okay, in an "apples and oranges" kind of way. |
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2005 Posts: 5391 Location: PNW
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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freakness wrote: |
I've been in touch with Vanaru and they told me....FORGET about them as a source for conversion parts. Since I'm in California the ONLY thing I can purchase from them that would pass inspection is their reverse manifold cooling system. I like the fact that they were straightforward about it and they recommended I go with as much of the Kennedy products as possible. This is due to Kennedy's CARB certification for 2.2 conversions.
Ahh.....life in the GOLDEN State |
Sometimes I forget the troubles that you Californians have with this issue. Hans and John (Vanaru) are great guys though. _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
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RichBenn Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2005 Posts: 703 Location: Lake Tahoe, NV
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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freakness wrote: |
I've been in touch with Vanaru and they told me....FORGET about them as a source for conversion parts. Since I'm in California the ONLY thing I can purchase from them that would pass inspection is their reverse manifold
cooling system. I like the fact that they were straightforward about it and they recommended I go with as much of the Kennedy products as possible. This is due to Kennedy's CARB certification for 2.2 conversions.
Ahh.....life in the GOLDEN State |
Interesting -- someone pmailed me from the SubaruVanagon list and said this KEP and California thing is overrated. He said that you need the OBD light free of error codes, that difficulty for approval was dependant upon the examiner, that you may get even get more scrutiny for a KEP kit. Others have said you need to use the Subaru cat if you don't use a KEP kit.
Since people have gotten all manner of engines to pass, it can be done.
I live within a few miles of California, so want it to be easy in case I sell the vanagon to a Californian or move there. But I really don't want to go 100% KEP. _________________ Rich |
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ChesterKV Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2005 Posts: 1725 Location: El Cerrito, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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RichBenn wrote: |
freakness wrote: |
I've been in touch with Vanaru and they told me....FORGET about them as a source for conversion parts. Since I'm in California the ONLY thing I can purchase from them that would pass inspection is their reverse manifold
cooling system. I like the fact that they were straightforward about it and they recommended I go with as much of the Kennedy products as possible. This is due to Kennedy's CARB certification for 2.2 conversions.
Ahh.....life in the GOLDEN State |
Interesting -- someone pmailed me from the SubaruVanagon list and said this KEP and California thing is overrated. He said that you need the OBD light free of error codes, that difficulty for approval was dependant upon the examiner, that you may get even get more scrutiny for a KEP kit. Others have said you need to use the Subaru cat if you don't use a KEP kit.
Since people have gotten all manner of engines to pass, it can be done.
I live within a few miles of California, so want it to be easy in case I sell the vanagon to a Californian or move there. But I really don't want to go 100% KEP. |
From what I'm learning, a hybrid kit is the way to go but yes, it's a bit of a random process when the van is inspected. I'll go by what the Buslab dudes here in Berkeley say since, they convert and pass them all the time. I do know, however, that they use Kennedy as their base conversion platform. _________________ 1984 Wolfsburg 7-passenger stock sunroof
1992 Subaru Legacy EJ22 boxer motor installed.... van is now sold.... currently playing with a 1987 Toyota MR2 with 1.6 liter twin-cam motor. Better than the Subaru boxers....... I'm impressed. Well, okay, in an "apples and oranges" kind of way. |
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2Dokas Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2004 Posts: 752 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Having done this last year and living in CA I can give you my experience, which is also in the archives of the subievanagon group.
mine is a 2.2L obd1. I went with the whole Kennedy enchilada but I don't think its necessary at all. In fact I am thinking about doing my other syncro and the kennedy engine hanger will not work with the skid plate. There is no way an inspector can tell or would even look at the adapter, flywheel, engine carrier or reverse manifold.
Mine (referee) pulled out the whole book of diagrams (mostly looking at the emissions) for the kennedy conversion and from what I could tell only really wanted to see the vanagon vacuum container (glad I had not used the subie like most everyone else is doing now) and lines as per the kennedy approved conversion. Getting the diagram helps, not sure what you have to buy to get it.
I failed the inspection because I put in switches in place of the green and black diagnostic connectors and "modified the emissions". I just put the plugs back on and it passed.
I cant imagine he even noticed the cat numbers or the muffler numbers.
What you don't want to do is answer any questions they don't ask.
NO codes is also not important, you can have three, but off the top of my head I dont remember them (33 and 34 and ?). They go away with the speed sensor that is not totally needed but helps for sure. I had codes till the sensor.
as they say, don't worry, its a breeze and the conversion rocks.
peter _________________ 87 Doka 2WD Ej22,
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RichBenn Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2005 Posts: 703 Location: Lake Tahoe, NV
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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2Dokas wrote: |
Mine (referee) pulled out the whole book of diagrams (mostly looking at the emissions) for the kennedy conversion and from what I could tell only really wanted to see the vanagon vacuum container (glad I had not used the subie like most everyone else is doing now) and lines as per the kennedy approved conversion. Getting the diagram helps, not sure what you have to buy to get it.
peter |
By "lines" do you mean wiring? Or plumbing? Or vaccum lines (like to the charcoal cannister?) _________________ Rich |
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2Dokas Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2004 Posts: 752 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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sorry, yes the vacuum lines to the charcoal cannister, I was a little loose with the terminology.
cheers
peter _________________ 87 Doka 2WD Ej22,
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ChesterKV Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2005 Posts: 1725 Location: El Cerrito, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Update #5
Well dudes,
It's Saturday, June 23rd, 2007....and I've begun pulling the GoWesty 2.2 motor from my Transporter. I knew it was low-mileage but it's only 7,000 miles old ?!! Check out the classified add under PARTS/TYPE 2/BUS - VANAGON-UP. It's also on the GoWesty website classifieds >>>>>>> [url]
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I'll post some pictures of the aftermath tonight or on Sunday. _________________ 1984 Wolfsburg 7-passenger stock sunroof
1992 Subaru Legacy EJ22 boxer motor installed.... van is now sold.... currently playing with a 1987 Toyota MR2 with 1.6 liter twin-cam motor. Better than the Subaru boxers....... I'm impressed. Well, okay, in an "apples and oranges" kind of way.
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ChesterKV Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2005 Posts: 1725 Location: El Cerrito, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Update #6
Dudes,
Well, some progress has been made.
View of the "old" GoWesty 2.2 motor still in the engine bay about to be pulled. Everything connecting the van to the engine has been disconnected (well, sort of). It took me four, slow, casual hours to get to this point where I could place the car jack under the engine and disconnect the bolts holding the engine to the transmission and the bolts holding the engine carrier to the frame of the van. I was being very mellow
Ahhh.....the motor is out. I left the transmission in and simply removed all rear cooling tin so that I could disconnect the engine from the transmission by moving it towards the rear of the van. It was one of those jiggle/wiggle/hit engine carrier with mallet/jiggle/wiggle/move car jack down a bit/jiggle some more/move jack up then down again/and a final pull.....kind of engine removal procedure. I am definitely going to get an ATV jack for when I install the Subaru engine. Using a regular car jack is inherently unstable and although I didn't have any problems, I don't want to do it that way again unless I absolutely have to.
View of engine bay sans motor. A lot of clean-up and removal of miscellaneous bits will be next on the to-do-list. Notice the nice shiny new clutch slave cylinder on the left side of the transmission. So much easier to get to now. After the clean-up I'll paint the engine bay a nice off-white which is what the rest of the van will be painted....
I'm quite proud of myself for hardly dropping even the smallest amount of coolant and generally doing a first-class job so far.......
I inspected the solid coolant lines that run to the radiator at the front of the van and found them to be in decent shape. At least the portions that are plainly visible. This is a California van after all. I am considering, however, to changing them to stainless-steel lines considering the van IS twenty-three years-old and it IS going to Hawai'i at the end of the year. Hmmmm any thoughts on the best solution? Photo shows the ends of the solid coolant lines as they enter the engine bay and connect to the familiar black rubber flexible hoses on top of the engine.
Another view of the ends of the solid coolant lines
I'll clean-up the transmission area to see if I can find anything worn or suspect but it seems o.k. for now
The day I pulled the motor a check arrived in the mail so the engine is now SOLD. Nice feeling actually. I'll be ordering from Kennedy pretty soon and I KNOW I want to purchase MasterCraft Motor's throttle linkage kit so I can retain the stock throttle cable.
http://www.vanperformance.com/Product3.htm
As soon as the old engine is picked up I'll shut down the Subaru donor car for the last time and begin pulling the wiring harness to send to Tom Shiels in Canada. _________________ 1984 Wolfsburg 7-passenger stock sunroof
1992 Subaru Legacy EJ22 boxer motor installed.... van is now sold.... currently playing with a 1987 Toyota MR2 with 1.6 liter twin-cam motor. Better than the Subaru boxers....... I'm impressed. Well, okay, in an "apples and oranges" kind of way.
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kenmag Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2007 Posts: 275 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Good work dude! no turning back now I called Seth at Mastercraft last week about the throttle cam and says he does not have any more right now because no one is sending him back the cores so you might want to inquire about that. I think I will try to make something up myself as I've got access to a MIG/argon welder. Tom Shiels will take care of you nicely with the harness.. He's a super nice guy and a good friend of mine.. lives like 45 min away from me.
As said in Spaceballs "May the schwartz be with you."
Later _________________ 87GL Westy/suby ej22
87GL tintop/suby ej22
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Haven't you got that finished yet?
Those coolant lines are metal on the 84 huh? I cut mine, both of em, about 1-1/2 ft down. Connected with a piece of standard 1-1/2" flex line. And I took a sawsall to that metal which is holding your stubs. But, I didn't use a reversed manifold.
Don't see any reason to replace em when they look good. If it was an east coast van you'd want to replace them I s'pose.
Lookin good. You sure you want to do this? Maybe it's a mistake!
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ChesterKV Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2005 Posts: 1725 Location: El Cerrito, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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levi wrote: |
Haven't you got that finished yet?
You sure you want to do this? Maybe it's a mistake!
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d'oh _________________ 1984 Wolfsburg 7-passenger stock sunroof
1992 Subaru Legacy EJ22 boxer motor installed.... van is now sold.... currently playing with a 1987 Toyota MR2 with 1.6 liter twin-cam motor. Better than the Subaru boxers....... I'm impressed. Well, okay, in an "apples and oranges" kind of way. |
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