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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw the Van Cafe has the window guides in stock.
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_1633_1368/sliding-window-guide-piece.html
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This experiment failed.

Note to self: NEVER use UHMW tape where it is exposed to direct sunlight. The adhesive degrades fast and the plastic separates, leaving a crusty adhesive layer.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:50 am    Post subject: UHMW tape Reply with quote

OK I did it on one side and it is a vast improvement! My windows are silky smooth and tight!

Im writing about my mistakes here in hopes the next person will do it better and update this instruction.

I was able to pop the glass in and out with the frame in situ, by taking care and using a thin putty knife as a pryer. This saves the majority of the actual work.

Before you even start on this project, tool yourself up with a 1/4 combo wrench and a slotted bit no longer than 2 inches:
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This will improve your chances of getting the latch apart without damaging something or cursing.

I added my own mod in the form of 3/4 wide UHMW tape, but 1 inch would have fit better. My furry strips were totally disintegrated from the harsh New Mexico UV causing the frame to fall inward thereby eroding areas that never otherwise come in contact:
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Above you can see where the aluminum was rattling on its support ridge. The plastic sliders had been missing for years, the part mentioned earlier in this topic. I covered these areas with UHMW tape, however in the end I realized it was unnecessary while the furry combs were intact, as it presses the glass outward. When the UHMW is in place, the plastic guides are unnecessary until the combs lose their strength. I suspect that leaving out the guides improves sealing but eventully require sooner maintenance. Time will tell.

Looking down into the groove you can see how the 3/4 width UHMW is either too narrow or I positioned it too far outward, as keep in mind it is difficult to install in a narrow groove:
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I realized afterward I should have started it against the inside of the groove and let the outer edge fall wherever it chose. I used a blunt spud to inside corner it without ripping the plastic, working one edge to the other to prevent stretching. In any case, the combs keep the glass pressed outwardly, so while the slide marks show it eroding the inner part of the slot, after the combs are installed it rides on the outer half, which is mostly where my UHMW is. I used a soft wire brush to smooth these surfaces before applying the UHMW, as they were too rough from scraping to offer a good sticking surface. NOTICE how I cut the drain holes with a surgical blade after it rained overnight and the groove was filled with water. The holes also server to drain dirt, sand and other crud that interferes with the sliding.

There is also a backstop that some vans might be missing:
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The bumper is inserted into the upper curve of the frame and prevents the window groove from gashing the curve as it hits the end of its stroke on the bottom corner.

How the UHMW tape holds up under New Mexico sandstorms remains to be seen.

I would also add that I stripped off the factory tinting while the glass was out, but then I discovered 35 years of calcium deposit on the outside of the glass. I ruined 3 razor blades trying to scrape off the calcium, but then by brain kicked in and I wiped it down with oxalic acid solution and it came off easily.

Also, the latches should be positioned with a downward-forward angle into the latch stops. If you position them randomly you may find the window can be slid open from the outside, especially if metal is worn like mine are. Repositioning the latch angle is a lot of work, so do it before attaching the handle.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that photo journal, now I need to do it!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice write up with pics Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm having work done on my van so I pulled out both slider windows so I could replace the felt in the vertical and horizontal channels.

Here was how I did it:

1) Remove slider window from the van. You can cut the window seal from the inside and push the window out, just make sure someone is there to catch it. If you don't want to replace the seal then you will have to figure out to take the seal out without cutting it. I hear soapy water helps to lubricate the seal during dis-assembly but since I didn't do that you will need to figure that one out yourself.

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2) Remove the window latch by taking out the screw from the underside of the latch. Once you remove the screw the latch will pop off.

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3) Open the sliding glass window so that you can spread apart the window frame. I used my foot to hold the lower frame and gently pulled up on the upper frame just enough to allow the sliding glass to pop free of the channel it rides in. A little finesse here and not so much brute strength will keep you from bending the frame.

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4) The felt rides in a T shaped channel and to remove mine I ran a sharp cutting blade down the center of the old felt and split it into two halves. I then used a small flat head screw driver and needle nose pliers to pull each half of the old felt out of the channel. Repeat this for the vertical and horizontal felt pieces.

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5) Ensure that the channels are free of any debris, old felt pieces and that they aren't distorted or damaged in any way. A section of my channel was dented and I reshaped it before attempting to install the new felt.

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6) Next you need to move the rubber seal out of the way which is sitting behind the starting edge of the felt channel. You need to do this to allow some working room to feed the felt into the channel otherwise it will be a bear to get in there. You don't have to take the whole rubber seal out just up to the area behind the starting edge of the felt channel.

7) Now feed about 5-15mm of the new felt into the T channel. The flat plastic side of the felt goes into the T slot of the channel and holds the felt in place. Once you get it started, take the tail end of the new felt and snake it behind the starting edge of the felt channel so it makes a bit of a hairpin turn as it feeds into the channel. This helps provide a more direct path for feeding the felt into the channel and makes sliding/feeding the felt in much easier. My picture will illustrate this better than this description but you should get the idea here.

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Cool Once the new felt strip is in place, trim it off and make sure that its not too long or else it will interfere with the fit of the rubber gasket and make the window difficult to slide. Repeat this for both the vertical and horizontal channels.

9) While you have the sliding windows out, replace the plastic sliding bearing/bushing, part #281-847-723B I used a blunt tip flat head screw driver to tap these out. Flip the sliding window upside down and just tap them out from the channel.

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10) Replacing the window is the reverse of taking it out. Make sure you have it oriented correctly and spread the window frame apart while pressing the window into place. Reattach the latch and voila!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:51 am    Post subject: Lessee... Reply with quote

Yeah, Van Cafe is the BOMB with fast shipping--I got mine today. But I don't think there's any of that fuzzy material left in the window, so ending the rattle is going to be a bigger project than I thought.

It looks as if I'll have to take apart the window, which I hope can be done with it in place, and replace the storm window fuzz--I've got some of that, not sure if it's the right size--in the horizontal and vertical channels where the worn stuff is now. Then I need to cut a notch... Somewhere... Into the frame of the sliding part of the window so that the little barb on the guides will lock into place, then put it all together.

I'm game for it all, just a bit unsure and I haven't quite figured out what I'm doing, yet.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Felt Strips? Reply with quote

msinabottle wrote:
Those posts from FNGRUVN were relatively recent--did that Screen Door replacement felt work? Did you find and get the product from J.C. Whitney? Currently, Bus Depot reports the slider guides out of stock, GoWesty lists them likewise.

I've gotten rid of a lot of Winston's annoying rattles. The ones left became directly more annoying in compensation.

Shocked

Worst so far are the one remaining slider window and the skylight. I need to have a look at that for wear or at the least see what else can be done.

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I got the guides from VC late last week.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Felt Strips? Reply with quote

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I've gotten rid of a lot of Winston's annoying rattles. The ones left became directly more annoying in compensation.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this what your talking about msinabottle?

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I bought mine at a Ace hardware.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:21 pm    Post subject: Felt Strips? Reply with quote

Those posts from FNGRUVN were relatively recent--did that Screen Door replacement felt work? Did you find and get the product from J.C. Whitney? Currently, Bus Depot reports the slider guides out of stock, GoWesty lists them likewise.

I've gotten rid of a lot of Winston's annoying rattles. The ones left became directly more annoying in compensation.

Shocked

Worst so far are the one remaining slider window and the skylight. I need to have a look at that for wear or at the least see what else can be done.

Best!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going to bump this since I **know** that I'm not the only one who has been looking for these. Seriously, I was looking at replacing the sliders on my van because of a tiny missing piece of plastic. Without this the whole thing just starts to decay and perhaps more importantly becomes hopelessly annoying. With these darn little guides the windows work wonderfully.

So GoWesty has these for the time being. Go get some and solve your stupid window issues.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What slider guide? Kidding.


Mark, is that something that used to be offered for Vanagons, did you adapt it from a bay, or is it even more complicated than that? I would love something like that (albeit, with black window frames and tinted glass) that would give more airflow than the stock small sliding windows.


No, it was a combination of Samba Members that figured it out. I think if you search jalousie in the vanagon section a couple threads come up. You are correct they are from a Bay. If you intend to go this route, get the best windows you can find/afford. I spent hours trying to refurbish these. Parts are available, but these windows were never designed to be disassembled easily. Only the early vanagon can readily accept the jalousie into the slider. The later slider has a slightly smaller window opening. It could be solved, but others are putting the jalousie in the R/R window.

Essentially, you are attaching .063 aluminum strips on both sides of the window frame to enlarge it to the dimensions of the slider frame and thickening it to match the Vanagon seal. There are some easier solutions using rivets on just one side. The directions that were published are really vague until you try to do one. In the end, I used my own dimensions rather than the published ones. Let me search for the link.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=283728&highlight=jalousie

We live in the south and the vanagon windows let rain in when open. It used to soak everything. Now we can leave the windows open in a pretty good storm and the cross ventilation is superior. Dan from NY provided a link for new winders. I relocated the winder on r/s forward so that both windows can be opened and closed from the front seats. Left and Right winders are available. The seals came from GW, but BD and others have them. I tried to replace the seals the glass sits in, in the frame, but gave up. The hardware came from my local hardware store.

I have to admit, personally coming from a 68 Bay Camper, I like the look, add the chrome bumpers and the round headlights, I have a classic look on steroids. mark
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome Bus-depot didn't have them, but GW did.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens with a part like this is that Classic VW parts makes a run of parts and it goes through down the parts chain. You just have to catch one of our favorite vendors with it on the shelf. I had to make mine because I could not wait.(Windows out at the paint shop .) Fuzzy felt I got at Ace hardware and the rest of the seals I got from Ken at Van Again.
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Window rebuilding step by step is here:
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rsxsr wrote:
What slider guide? Kidding.


Mark, is that something that used to be offered for Vanagons, did you adapt it from a bay, or is it even more complicated than that? I would love something like that (albeit, with black window frames and tinted glass) that would give more airflow than the stock small sliding windows.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought two today
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_1633_1376/sliding_window_guide_piece.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JC Whitney sells it. Item# 18-4879. You can request a free sample(item#665557) to see for yourself if it will work.


I'm only getting a brake caliper when I search for the 18-4879 number and nothing found for the 665557 number.

Do you have a link to the rubber channel?


I'm looking at the packing slip that came with the sample. In the column named "MFG part#" they have 6655561 and 184879. Try that. I hope those are good numbers otherwise I'll have to look through all their weatherstrip cross sections again.
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Thanks MightyArt,

I've been looking for these guides forever. Just ordered a few for Zeno and I'm excited because the right side slider won't wiggle open any more. Its cold out there!


Got a call from Bus-Depot and they don't have these any more (even though the part number is still in their catalog). Anyone have one that they might lend to me so I can make a mold? Seriously NLA part.


NLA no longer! Not as cheap as they used to be, but at least they are available.

http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=22666&category_id=&category_parent_id=
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Thanks MightyArt,

I've been looking for these guides forever. Just ordered a few for Zeno and I'm excited because the right side slider won't wiggle open any more. Its cold out there!


Got a call from Bus-Depot and they don't have these any more (even though the part number is still in their catalog). Anyone have one that they might lend to me so I can make a mold? Seriously NLA part.
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