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navyvet
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 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: Trying to Install rear vent window HELP! FAQ |
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| Everyone has been such a help before to me. So here is another humble question for the great ones. How do my son and I put the drivers side rear vent window on? My old one finally finished rusting and fell inside this morning. I bought a new used perfect condition one that has the gasket and everything ready to install I think. We removed the large window on the side also so we could do some rust repair around the bottom of the windows. We coated them with some new stuff thats a knockoff of pour fifteen called rust seal, it's quite a bit cheaper. I bought it at the back to the fifties car show in saint paul this last sunday. tonight We shall paint it and hopefully put the windows in tommorow or the next day. So if anyone can give me a step by step i'd really apreciate it. My book only tells about the windshield. Thanks ! |
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busdaddy
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Vent window goes in before the side window. Put it in position about an inch back from the front so the tabs on the vertical bar can hook inside the pinchweld lip through the notches. Slide it forward into position and check that the rubber isn't pinched. After that the side window goes in same as the windshield.
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Desertbusman
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good summary
If you need more info a lot has allready been written here. You would have to do a search to find it. If you allready have a good seal that's half the battle. A new one is $50.
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navyvet
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| Vent window goes in before the side window. Put it in position about an inch back from the front so the tabs on the vertical bar can hook inside the pinchweld lip through the notches. Slide it forward into position and check that the rubber isn't pinched. After that the side window goes in same as the windshield. |
THANKS!! It went in Just like you said. OUTSTANDING! I appreciate it very much.
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navyvet
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Desertbusman wrote: |
^^^^^^
good summary
If you need more info a lot has allready been written here. You would have to do a search to find it. If you allready have a good seal that's half the battle. A new one is $50. |
Thanks, I looked at the new gaskets. I know they are expensive. I wonder why they charge so much for the smallest gasket of all the windows? I tried to find info with the search but all I found was stuff on replacing with a solid glass or stuff like that. Maybe I typed in the wrong thing but I tried vent window and thats pretty much all that came up. After driving around on the search for two hours I had to pull over and ask for directions! |
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dwill49965
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I tried to find info with the search but all I found was stuff on replacing with a solid glass or stuff like that. Maybe I typed in the wrong thing but I tried vent window and thats pretty much all that came up. After driving around on the search for two hours I had to pull over and ask for directions! |
The key to using the search function is to use the word AND in between your keywords - for example "rear AND vent AND window AND replace". And yes, use a capitalized AND. It will filter out hundreds or thousands of posts that just happen to have those words in them.
For example - searching "vent window" on the Baywindow forum returns 4264 results.
Searching "rear AND vent AND window AND replace" on the Baywindow forum returns 15 results.
Of course, there is still no guarantee you'll find what you're looking for, but it does enable you to search a lot more relevant posts much more quickly.
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Desertbusman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I know they are expensive. I wonder why they charge so much for the smallest gasket of all the windows? |
If you were to buy a new one and examine it closely you can see why it it so expensive. It's not at all like any other seals. It's more like a puzzle in design. It's either an advanced engineering marvel or nightmare. Flaps, folds, slots, grooves just everywhere from all different directions. I can't imagine the complexity of the mold it comes from.
Glad you got the window in!
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| Vent window goes in before the side window. Put it in position about an inch back from the front so the tabs on the vertical bar can hook inside the pinchweld lip through the notches. Slide it forward into position and check that the rubber isn't pinched. After that the side window goes in same as the windshield. |
Busdaddy, your reply should become a sticky! This was one of my questions, and I've not been able to find a good explanation until this one. Like navyvet says, most of the posts are about replacing with solid glass or were unclear descriptively... I've done that search too and the answer has been elusive until now. I was under the impression that it was a difficult install. Now it is sounding much easier.
I bought a replacement vent window (ebay), but the seller had removed the bottom pin. I didn't realize. Then I came here and learned. Not good! Me ripped off! Needed to start over. Caulked the window shut temporarily.
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navyvet
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usdaddy, your reply should become a sticky! This was one of my questions, and I've not been able to find a good explanation until this one. Like navyvet says, most of the posts are about replacing with solid glass or were unclear descriptively... I've done that search too and the answer has been elusive until now. I was under the impression that it was a difficult install. Now it is sounding much easier.
I bought a replacement vent window (ebay), but the seller had removed the bottom pin. I didn't realize. Then I came here and learned. Not good! Me ripped off! Needed to start over. Caulked the window shut temporarily. |
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Ya, his instructions were so clear and precise I think this guy should write his own bus manual. Seriously! After we installed it I couldent believe how easy it was. Hope you find a good window. I bought mine from a person I found here on the samba. He's in San Bernadino,
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=448144
Theres the link to his add. In case your still looking for one. I know there much better than I would probably find around Minnesnowta. |
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busdaddy
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Wow, glad I could help.
The side vents are one of VW's weaker designs, it's difficult to find one with the bottom pivot intact. It's usually the first thing that corrodes and the pivot siezes into the friction clamp twisting it out of the glass frame. Many remain intact for years with the pivot loosely keeping the window from falling out but not doing a thing to hold it open.
I have welded a couple of the black framed ones back in with good results, even made a missing pivot, but getting the glass back into the frame is no fun at all.
If you do find one that the lower pivot still moves with the window, lube it up good before you install it.
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63bajaman
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:18 am Post subject: bus vent window replacement, drivers side |
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| I replaced the rubber around my vent window with a good quality seal from bus-boys and have it properly installed in the opening, all tabs in their correct position. My problem is getting the fixed glass installed. It also has a new gasket from the same source but just won't fully engage the opening all the way around. I start by trying to partially engage the gasket into the opening and then the inside flap using the string method at the bottom then working up the sides but the further it get it becomes harder and harder to seat. I've tried windex, soapy water, KY jelly and o-ring lube but nothing helps. Anyone with experinece doing this installation have any suggestions? |
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skills@eurocarsplus
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make sure the vent window is as far in as you can get it, and the tabs are not caught on anything. i found it helpful to have the vent window open, as it would allow some flex in the frame, letting the fixed window slide right in
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curtis4085
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Well your on the right track. Install vent window first. Then we use a suction cup on 3/4 window. Start the edge nearest to vent wing first. It took pushing the window forward toward vent wing at the same time with little inward pressure then pull string a little. Back and forth. The thing I remember the most is it seemed to slide in from back to front rather than pop in like others.
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63bajaman
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| I even used bar clamps to pull the vent window forward so the tabs on the leading edge of the vent frame engaged fully with the flange, so I know the vent is fully seated. I was starting with the lower long edge of the fixed glass but will now try starting with the short edge at the vent and work toward the back end. Hopefully this is the secret. |
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curtis4085
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Note as I recall it was the starting the window back a half inch from vent wing and sliding it forward at the same time seating seal inward.
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GeorgeO.
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My experience is that this, if you break the tabs then you have to change the frame out, or get a single piece of glass, as suggested by some. I went to Harbor Freight and bought a Pemnut kit and put pemnuts on the frame vent wing assembly. What they don't tell you is that the tabs have to go in between the two spot welded pieces if you can maneuver it there. That being said, I broke off mine and used Pemnuts, and so far so good.
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63bajaman
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| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:56 am Post subject: bus vent window replacement, drivers side |
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Rear driver's side window finally installed after 8 attempts. For the record, I used a generous amount of Dow 111 on both the bus opening and the rubber gasket, even applied a little on the glass side for extra measure. Started the installation at the bottom and worked to just getting past the rear radius by about 2 inches. Then we started up the edge at the vent to the upper 90 degree corner. This was the most difficult place and required the most work. After that, worked the back leg again and then the top till it was finally installed.
The lube made the difference. During each of my previous attempts it appeared as if it was way oversized even though I am the one who took it out.
Thanks to everone for the feedback and support. |
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barefootwestie
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Thanks Guys for this thread. I need to replace mine and have a replacement vent window but just havent gotten around to it. Probably putting it off too because of the uncertainty.
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Hello all
This is something that I am working on but I am having a serious issue with getting the seal on the frame. On the long end it has to go under the lip and also under the other side. What am I missing? is it supposed to slide on?
I took the pop rivets out so that the frame is two pieces but can not seem to get it on the long side.
Any help is appreciated.
thanks
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Floo420
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Hello all
This is something that I am working on but I am having a serious issue with getting the seal on the frame. On the long end it has to go under the lip and also under the other side. What am I missing? is it supposed to slide on?
I took the pop rivets out so that the frame is two pieces but can not seem to get it on the long side.
Any help is appreciated.
thanks
Shawn
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