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draginwagen
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 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: Tell me everything about a 60 Euro Bug |
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i might be getting a 60 euro but first i want to know what is special about them? are they rare? what parts do they have on them that the us bugs dont. (other than semaphores).
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Rare? No way. They were available to entire countries & were produced in too large of a quantity.
KpH speedometer
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draginwagen
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Rare? No way. They were available to entire countries & were produced in too large of a quantity.
KpH speedometer
bumpers
bulb-type headlights |
what are bulb-type headlights?
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| Europe has a bulb insert for the headlights instead of a sealed beam like we have. |
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The bulb-type headlights you are referring to are called "Pre Focus" Head lights. They are similar to our modern day halogen lamps where you just have a bulb that plugs into the reflector housing.
US cars at the time had sealed beams where the bulb filiment, reflector and cover glass were all in one sealed unit. Europe used the pre focus stuff. The bulb looks like a fat tail light bulb.
There are several different styles of pre focus lamps and if you don't know exactly what you are looking for, this can be a night mare. There is a British Pre Focus, and American pre Focus, the Ba15 Bayonet 15mm, the Ba 21d Marchal Base, the Bosch Ba20 and several others. Then to make matters worse, they were available in 4, 6, 8, and 12 volt versions.
A few years ago I had to deal with this while trying to find lamps for a british car that had Hella lamp assemblies and unmarked Bosch bulbs. I bought a few sets of the wrong style before I learned about all this stuff and discovered that Bosch had their own style.
What you need if you have to find replacemnets are the Bosch Ba20 with a 20mm base. this is a halogen replacment for the 7324, 7325 and 182 original bosch pre focus lamp used in the VW's. It is as bright as a modern sealed beam if your reflector and lens is in good shape.
But if this is going to be your daily driver, you would probably be better off replacing the headlight assemblies with US spec sealed beam type assemblies. Some of the Vintage guys would like to get a hold of those pre focus assemblies I'm sure.
Other then head lights, tail lights, semiphores and bumbers, I don't think there were any other differences.
As for how rare? my book says VW sold 112,027 sedans in 1960, but it doesn't differentiate between US sales and the rest of the world. The price....$1,565.
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Euro or US, 1960 cars have some unique features. The front tranny mount is '60 only, the outside locking door handle is '60 only, and the steering wheel and horn ring are unique to 60 and 61 only. Certainly not a rare car, but if you can get a cool bug, regardless of year, go for it  !
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Euro or US, 1960 cars have some unique features. The front tranny mount is '60 only, the outside locking door handle is '60 only, and the steering wheel and horn ring are unique to 60 and 61 only. Certainly not a rare car, but if you can get a cool bug, regardless of year, go for it !
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rare air has a 60. but i think it is usa with blinking taillights and funky looking peanut turn signals on the front instead of semaphores like my 1960 euro ragtop. the frame horns are different also by 1/8" from the factory and that is why the oil dipstick is painted yellow on handle end so you don't add too much oil. outer door handle lock has verticle key slot and end of key has a taper on it to go into slot easier. 1960 ignition switch is one year only 3 set screws instead of 4 like 59 and older-61 went to 3 push on connectors. sun visor is one year only vinal pattern and it is 1st year for the panels below the rear seat to floor(no holes and it has a strap to pull to remove them). 
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draginwagen
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| what does the steering wheel look like? do yall have any pictures? |
They look the same as the later ones, just the horn ring assembly is different. |
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| anyone have some detailed pictures of the steering wheel/hornring? I'm currently searching for these parts and others for my 60 euro and want to be sure I find the right one. I've found a three wire signal switch, but I'm unsure if it's the right one for semaphores. What about part numbers? Is the type 1 parts manual online and would it have such specific information? |
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RareAir
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If the part number ends with a "C", then yes it's a 1960-61 ring. |
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| Euro or US, 1960 cars have some unique features. The front tranny mount is '60 only, the outside locking door handle is '60 only, and the steering wheel and horn ring are unique to 60 and 61 only. |
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| rare air has a 60. but i think it is usa with blinking taillights and funky looking peanut turn signals on the front instead of semaphores like my 1960 euro ragtop. the frame horns are different also by 1/8" from the factory and that is why the oil dipstick is painted yellow on handle end so you don't add too much oil. outer door handle lock has verticle key slot and end of key has a taper on it to go into slot easier. 1960 ignition switch is one year only 3 set screws instead of 4 like 59 and older-61 went to 3 push on connectors. sun visor is one year only vinal pattern and it is 1st year for the panels below the rear seat to floor(no holes and it has a strap to pull to remove them). |
I think the original question was "What's the differences between euro & US-spec cars besides semaphores?"
I too can list a bunch of 1960-only odd ball variances such as the fuse boxes etc..... |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: tell me everything about a 60 euro bug |
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| what parts do they have on them that the us bugs dont. (other than semaphores). |
Not an expert, but I think that a true Euro model's speedo will be in KPH, and it shouldn't have "towel bars" on the bumpers (or holes in the front apron and rear fenders for the overriders), nor a grab handle over the glove box. |
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bill may
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: tell me everything about a 60 euro bug |
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| what parts do they have on them that the us bugs dont. (other than semaphores). |
Not an expert, but I think that a true Euro model's speedo will be in KPH, and it shouldn't have "towel bars" on the bumpers (or holes in the front apron and rear fenders for the overriders), nor a grab handle over the glove box. |
my speedo is in kilometers,no grab handle,1 sun visor on drivers side only,no towel bar holes,2- 4 fuse fuse boxes with set screws- one is by speedo and one is for headlights it is on left side near gas tank. SE xxx is key code...mine was delivered to Berlin,Germany...
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what about the turn signal switch? Isn't it different since it's a semaphore car? I found this swtich in my parts box. It's a three wire, but the part number is a 141XXXXXX, which I believe makes it a ghia switch. Is this one going to work?
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