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1938vw
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i've got a pretty much standard 1600 leaded t1 and i want it alot faster what's the best thing to upgrade fisrt and are there any cheap ways of getting extra ponnies??
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1938vw
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good read true.
but i need to here from people who have tried and tested things fisrt hand.
as we know, a view is not always shared.....
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I'd put on some dual solex or kadrons and exhaust. It all depends how far you want to go.
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1938vw
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this is what i'd like to know........ i love my golf gti and my bug but the golf is 150bhp and the bug is about 150 break ant power!
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| You are not going to make a 1600 into anything earth shattering.It would cost more than to build a complete bigger engine.If you want the quick gratification and have the cash, turbo it. |
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1938vw
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how much will that cost though...............
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| 1938vw wrote: |
| but i need to here from people who have tried and tested things fisrt hand. |
As if the article were written by people who had never tried any of it. 
You'll be lucky to get 75 honest HP out of that 1600 without a turbo.
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1938vw
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so is turbo the only answer, what's it like for a daily?
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Better heads, camshaft, dual carbs, header, and good ignition system are the basics to any performance build. To gain any noticeable performance on a 1600 you must do all of these together. Couple this with a properly geared Trans and you will have a fun ride, no racer just a fun ride. You must realize however that what you do now will affect what you can and can't do later unless you plan on starting over with your build. Everything you do will adversely affect another aspect of the engines performance ultimately affecting the end combination unless all done properly and at the same time. For example the camshaft and cylinder head choice on a 1600 will be far different than for a stroker combo.
I guess the easy answer is that cheap and performance do not mix. |
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| I guess the easy answer is that cheap and performance do not mix. |
"Cheap" and "performance" AND "daily driver" do not mix! 
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id say its mostly the heads, cam, and carbs.
spend most of your $$ in the heads. you will not regret it.
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| so is turbo the only answer, what's it like for a daily? |
slapping a turbo on your bone stock as it sits right now 1600 is the quickest way to a new engine for you.
drive as is and save 3-5k (or more) to build what you really want. possibly install dual kads and header to get you by in the meantime.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: Re: simple question... easy answer?????? |
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| i've got a pretty much standard 1600 leaded t1 and i want it alot faster what's the best thing to upgrade fisrt and are there any cheap ways of getting extra ponnies?? |
Getting your head out of the sand and being more realistic would be your first move.
Every person new to engine tuning dreams if that 150hp engine for £500 but sorry it does not exist.
First of all tell us what budget you are working with.
First of all as someone allready said with some carbs ported heads (good ones, not big valve pretend ones) cam and an exhaust, you could up a 1600 to about 75/85hp with out it becoming a high reving unreliable mess.
To do this well will cost you around £1000-£1500
budget blown allready? |
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1938vw
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: Re: simple question... easy answer?????? |
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| 1938vw wrote: |
| i've got a pretty much standard 1600 leaded t1 and i want it alot faster what's the best thing to upgrade fisrt and are there any cheap ways of getting extra ponnies?? |
Getting your head out of the sand and being more realistic would be your first move.
Every person new to engine tuning dreams if that 150hp engine for £500 but sorry it does not exist.
First of all tell us what budget you are working with.
First of all as someone allready said with some carbs ported heads (good ones, not big valve pretend ones) cam and an exhaust, you could up a 1600 to about 75/85hp with out it becoming a high reving unreliable mess.
To do this well will cost you around £1000-£1500
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first off i was after advice not borderline abuse, I'm new to the engine tuning stuff and needed a few pointers. second my friend ran a stock 1600 with a small diesel turbo from a scrap yard on street legal tires and past a 1/4 mile at 13.2 with all the fabrication done himself this cost him under £500 so why cant performance be cheap??
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:27 am Post subject: Re: simple question... easy answer?????? |
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| ....so why cant performance be cheap?? |
Glenn....your Magic Pie Chart please.... |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: Re: simple question... easy answer?????? |
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my friend ran a stock 1600 with a small diesel turbo from a scrap yard on street legal tires and past a 1/4 mile at 13.2 |
I dont think so..... |
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If you want performance...you have to go with something like "Beetle's Big Brother" in my sig.... After driving a 6.4 L engine...nothing else will compare....
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| Go to the local bone-yard and look for a Mazda RX7 from the late 80's. Down under the exhaust manifold, between the air pump and the hoses running back from the AC is a module with a pile of wires coming out of it. The ones I seen are blue, but that may be because of the year. This, together with the box it links to under the dash and a handfull of common plumbing parts, is a direct 100 horse bolt-on for about 90% of the air-cooled VW's here in the states, maybe in the UK too. Most people won't tell you about it, but ask anyone with a seriously fast VW and they will know about a "Mazda VROOM VROOM" box. |
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