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jcsme2008 Samba Member
Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 119 Location: Salisbury, MD
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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FRONT SUSPENSION: DubAir Suspension / ViAir Compression / 2gal Tank
McPherson Air Shocks
3” Narrowed Beam
Nankang AS-1 / 175 55
Smoothies 15x5
REAR SUSPENSION: AtomWerk Adjustable Spring Plate
Doetsch Tech Progressive Gas Shocks
Nankang SP-9 / 195 65
DeepVeez Widen Smoothies 15x7
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nax Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2007 Posts: 229 Location: Valencia (Spain)
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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CLEvwLAND wrote: |
Here is my 1965 Sea Blue VW Beetle
With the help of this thread, I was able to dial-in my suspension to exactly what I was looking for. This is my first post on TheSamba, so thank you everyone.
Front:
- 2 1/2" drop spindles
- 2" narrowed adjustable beam
- Drum brakes all the way around
- 135's with 2" white wall inserts
Rear:
- Combination of inner and outer splines (basically 2 outer)
- OEM spring plates - not notched
- 165's with 2" white wall inserts
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Very nice car!
Front a rears are 5,5s? |
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InDaWeeds67 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2020 Posts: 49 Location: SC
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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sixty-seven on 17 inch Porsche Cayennes 205/40's upfront and 215/40's out back. If you're curios, yes it rubs everywhere if you just look at it.
5 inch narrowed beam w/disks up front. |
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Kblack1101 Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2020 Posts: 162 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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I have read through so many pages of this thread and I am still scratching my head on a few details.
I have a a '64 mostly stock beetle. Previous owner converted to drum brake 4x130 - I am likely going to convert back to wide 5
Planning for a mild lowering. From what I gather drop spindles will give the ride quality, but fender rubbing is likely going to be an issue. Therefore I need a narrowed beam.
Again, thinking mild, I am leaning to a 2" narrowed beam. However, does this mean I need different length tie rods, shock mounts relocated... etc??? What other "things" do I need to complete this job?
Thanks in advance for any more detailed information someone is willing to share. In an ideal world, I would have a checklist to cross off. I want to maintain quality - do it right, but not slammed, stanced negative camber type build.
Thanks again |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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For a two in narrowed beam you will need narrowed a sway bar, narrowed tie rod bar, and that should be it.
Most aftermarket narrowed beams will come with narrowed or thinned shock tower mounts so no, there wont be any issues there.
You can cut the tie rod ends your self and tap them, or you can buy them from most vendors. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
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Kblack1101 Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2020 Posts: 162 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
For a two in narrowed beam you will need narrowed a sway bar, narrowed tie rod bar, and that should be it.
Most aftermarket narrowed beams will come with narrowed or thinned shock tower mounts so no, there wont be any issues there.
You can cut the tie rod ends your self and tap them, or you can buy them from most vendors. |
This makes sense to me - thank you, Chickensoup.
I want to keep all stock / original parts that way. It might cost extra money but it will make me happier in the long run knowing I can go back to stock, original if I ever choose. So will purchase beam, sway bar, tie rod bar and tie rods.
Are shorter shocks required or just optional?
Thanks again! |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Kblack1101 wrote: |
Chickensoup wrote: |
For a two in narrowed beam you will need narrowed a sway bar, narrowed tie rod bar, and that should be it.
Most aftermarket narrowed beams will come with narrowed or thinned shock tower mounts so no, there wont be any issues there.
You can cut the tie rod ends your self and tap them, or you can buy them from most vendors. |
This makes sense to me - thank you, Chickensoup.
I want to keep all stock / original parts that way. It might cost extra money but it will make me happier in the long run knowing I can go back to stock, original if I ever choose. So will purchase beam, sway bar, tie rod bar and tie rods.
Are shorter shocks required or just optional?
Thanks again! |
hi, shorter shock are only used with a beam that has adjusters welded into the torsion housing. this is because on an adjustable beam, you lower and raise your car by rotating the torsion bars inside the beam, thus tilting up and down the trailing arms. imagine having someone press down on the front of the car, and then being able to lock it in that position. this limits the amount of travel the trailing arms can move, so you need a shorter shock to keep from bottoming out, as well as keep the compression rates correct.
if you only have drop spindles, then you need stock length shocks.
if you have both, then you need shorter shock.
drop spindles lower the car by raising the spindle position, it doesnt affect the suspension aspect of things, only the brake and wheel assembly. drop spindles are the way to go. but most kits will alter the track width by widening it half an inch or so.
hope this helps,
take care _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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My 65 Beetle
4” narrowed beam with upper shock mounts grafted into the body structure.
Rear is one outer notch
6” original Fuchs all the way around. 185’s up front and 215’s in the rear
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Cal Look Perfection!!!!! _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
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InDaWeeds67 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2020 Posts: 49 Location: SC
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Kblack1101 wrote: |
Chickensoup wrote: |
For a two in narrowed beam you will need narrowed a sway bar, narrowed tie rod bar, and that should be it.
Most aftermarket narrowed beams will come with narrowed or thinned shock tower mounts so no, there wont be any issues there.
You can cut the tie rod ends your self and tap them, or you can buy them from most vendors. |
This makes sense to me - thank you, Chickensoup.
I want to keep all stock / original parts that way. It might cost extra money but it will make me happier in the long run knowing I can go back to stock, original if I ever choose. So will purchase beam, sway bar, tie rod bar and tie rods.
Are shorter shocks required or just optional?
Thanks again! |
If you intend to get drop spindles, keep in mind you may want to be sure you get a beam that is narrowed for drop spindles. Some beams will drop the front by 2 inches, that combined with 2.5 from the drop spindles has you low straight out of the box. When you get one that is for drop spindles it has less adjustment, however, it has already accounted for the drop spindles.
I just went through this, I bought my bug with drop spindles and a 5" beam and it is low at its highest point, 23" from the ground to the front fender (measuring from the wheel centerline). I ordered a 2' Empi beam for drop spindles this week.
I could have something wrong but I am sure someone will let me know.
Good luck, Paul |
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veedubbug72 Samba Member
Joined: December 01, 2020 Posts: 8 Location: Nor-Cal
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Inchpincher61 wrote: |
1962 Anthracite Grey L469 bug.
Front:
3,5 Inch narrowed beam
2 Inch dropped spindles
5,0x17 ET25 - 2-piece customs with 165/45 17
Rear:
2 Inch drop plates ("short" transmission)
7,0x17 ET0 - 2-piece customs with 195/45 17
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This looks amazing. well done. |
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Freeflydenny Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 52 Location: Murrieta
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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After 111 pages I still can't figure out what tire size I want. Definitely a helpful thread though! |
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centerpunch Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2004 Posts: 34
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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I finally removed the 5.5 rear wheels and the 175/65-15 front and 195/65-15 rear tires I put on 2.5 years ago.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8852817#8852817
I never liked the way the rears protruded slightly from the fenders, and never liked the different tire diameters front and rear.
(I'm not from the old school, I'm from the school they tore down when they built the old school.)
I bought two more alloy 4.5" wheels, and four 185/70-15 Vredestein Sprint Classic tires (plus a 155-15 for a spare), and now I am very happy with my vintage car's vintage appearance.
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lowN2slo Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2008 Posts: 50 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Front
CB Drop spindles
4 Inch narrowed beam
15 inch Empi 5.5 wide
155's
Rear
Drop plates
185's
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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2 1/2 drop in the rear? The rear looks good man. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
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lowN2slo Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2008 Posts: 50 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Yes Limebug drop plates! Tks! |
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DerrickfromNC1 Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2008 Posts: 1300 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Front:
2” narrow beam with adjusters
CB dropped spindles
Porsche 996 brakes
18”x7.5” Boxster rims
205/40 tires......will be switched out to 215/35
I can lower the front just a tad more b4 the backs of the Porsche 993 headlights become an interference issue with the tires.
Rear:
Transform 5speed swingaxle(long axle)...adding adjustable springplates later
CB rear disc brakes...switching to Porsche Boxster later
18”x9” Boxster rims
245/35 tires......will be switched out to 255/35
front fenders are steel widened 1”
rear fenders are CCC 1.25” wider than stock.
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2021 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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hausey187 wrote: |
65 bug
stock width adjusable front beam
back dropped one click
original drums all around
195/55/15 front
195/60/15 back
JGE Raders |
me like.
happen to have a pic of the front? thanks
edit- found it
_________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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My current tires scrub so imma have to go smaller but heres the specs for the front.
Stock drums
Stock width
5.5x15 356 clone rims
Beam adjusters
Terrible empi lowered oil shocks
Nanking 165r15 875
_________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" |
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Big Bill Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 1782 Location: Santa Rosa, Ca
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:39 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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This is a shot of my 60 from years ago, adjustable beam up front and two outside notches in the rear. |
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