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Typ311Dave
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 Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: Anyone Sail? |
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Not VW related, but I have this "other hobby" called sailing, and I have a Victory Sailboat, 21 foot fiberglass sloop, the earliest ones were made from chopper-gun construction in the late 50's, when fiberglass was just beginning to take off (cutting edge technology). Mine is a 1968, boat #552, and was laid up at Coronado Yachts. All were Southern CA boats, so you don't see any on the east coast although some did go to Oklahoma and Texas? Beautiful, classic lines....Is there anybody that sails sailboats here, or does small boat repair, etc.?
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Anyone Sail? |
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| Is there anybody that sails sailboats here, or does small boat repair, etc.? |
I've done _lots_ of 'glass repair on my 28' power-boat, before I sold that hole in the water to some other sucker!
I've built several cedar stip canoes, first from a kit then from plans.
I've built a Sailfish... I bought as an started then abandoned "kit". It came out nice.
Now, I work on "bigger boats".
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Typ311Dave
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Sunfish are cool! Where are you located?
Here's a question for you...what would you use to adhere teak to another wood surface, and fiberglass?
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COFBack
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Sailed relentlessly in High School mostly class racing on oklahoma lakes then competively in College 420s and Lasers. A friend of mine and I started the Sailing Club at the University of Oklahoma (CIRCA 1983) Local guy donated a Dragon (30' loa x 6.5' beam) wood hull and mast. Boat sailed in the 1963 Olympics. It was awesome to race because the numbers were so bad and the boat was pretty fast. We won a lot.
Owned a Hobie 16 and a Laser when I lived in Pensacola.
Haven't sailded much since.
Wood to wood I'd use a decent wood glue the varnish the shit out of it.
Wood to anything else I'd bolt/screw through with some decent size "washer" or custom made plate to reinforce then cap the bolts holes either permanently or with something removable.
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I seen a sail boat on TV once, Thats my history on sailing. 
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Paul D
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I love to sail, and I grew up with most of my sailing experience on 31' O'Day. Sailed on many others C&C, Tartans, etc. I have a Vanguard 15 right now that is in desperate need of hull repair, but the damn VW keeps getting in my way. My wife keeps on asking me when am I going to do something with it. 
One of my Dad's friends had a Snark which he got from Kool cigs. This thing was a blast, it was a styrofoam hull that he glassed over. I can't tell you how many times I had to right that thing back over.
I can't give you much advice on your technical questions. I used to work part-time at a full service marina doing all the crap jobs. At one time I had a purple tint to me from all the bottoms I had to sand. I don't miss those days. One thing I do remember is the full timers there loved two part epoxy. I swore they used it on everything.
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bajaherbie
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Sailed relentlessly in High School mostly class racing on oklahoma lakes then competively in College 420s and Lasers. A friend of mine and I started the Sailing Club at the University of Oklahoma (CIRCA 1983) Local guy donated a Dragon (30' loa x 6.5' beam) wood hull and mast. Boat sailed in the 1963 Olympics. It was awesome to race because the numbers were so bad and the boat was pretty fast. We won a lot.
Owned a Hobie 16 and a Laser when I lived in Pensacola.
Haven't sailded much since.
Wood to wood I'd use a decent wood glue the varnish the shit out of it.
Wood to anything else I'd bolt/screw through with some decent size "washer" or custom made plate to reinforce then cap the bolts holes either permanently or with something removable. |
i was a member of the ou sailing club in '83 also  if you had curly hair i remember you. i entered one regatta at dirtybird and came in last  i could sail but i knew nothing about tactics. i've sailed hobie 14's, 16's and 18's, sunfish, lazer and a couple of others. i owned a viper 15 that was built in texas but i sold it about 8 years ago. i miss it too...
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COFBack
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Sailed relentlessly in High School mostly class racing on oklahoma lakes then competively in College 420s and Lasers. A friend of mine and I started the Sailing Club at the University of Oklahoma (CIRCA 1983) Local guy donated a Dragon (30' loa x 6.5' beam) wood hull and mast. Boat sailed in the 1963 Olympics. It was awesome to race because the numbers were so bad and the boat was pretty fast. We won a lot.
Owned a Hobie 16 and a Laser when I lived in Pensacola.
Haven't sailded much since.
Wood to wood I'd use a decent wood glue the varnish the shit out of it.
Wood to anything else I'd bolt/screw through with some decent size "washer" or custom made plate to reinforce then cap the bolts holes either permanently or with something removable. |
i was a member of the ou sailing club in '83 also if you had curly hair i remember you. i entered one regatta at dirtybird and came in last i could sail but i knew nothing about tactics. i've sailed hobie 14's, 16's and 18's, sunfish, lazer and a couple of others. i owned a viper 15 that was built in texas but i sold it about 8 years ago. i miss it too... |
HOLY SHIT, BJH That is wild.
Don't have curly hair though, I did have a buddy from texas come up and skipper a race for us out at dirtybird, would have been in the summer of 84.
I lived on Garfield, we kept the Dragon in our front yard over through the spring working on it until we dropped it in T-bird, that summer.
Professor Howard (can't remember his last name) was the faculty sponsor, he raced a Santana 20 out there. My roomate T-boned him on a start once, kinda funny.
small world.
Robert
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Typ311Dave
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Sailed relentlessly in High School mostly class racing on oklahoma lakes then competively in College 420s and Lasers. A friend of mine and I started the Sailing Club at the University of Oklahoma (CIRCA 1983) Local guy donated a Dragon (30' loa x 6.5' beam) wood hull and mast. Boat sailed in the 1963 Olympics. It was awesome to race because the numbers were so bad and the boat was pretty fast. We won a lot.
Owned a Hobie 16 and a Laser when I lived in Pensacola.
Haven't sailded much since.
Wood to wood I'd use a decent wood glue the varnish the shit out of it.
Wood to anything else I'd bolt/screw through with some decent size "washer" or custom made plate to reinforce then cap the bolts holes either permanently or with something removable. |
Donated a Dragon? Those boats are awesome, not really big here but pretty big in Europe, georgeous sloop and fast! My buddy's grandfather sailed one, and pretty much sailed everything else. COFBack, the Victory 21 sloop class was really big in the 60's into the 80's, do you remember them in Oklahoma/Texas?
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I have a 25 Catalina, my brother has a 25 Duff (I think), and my other brother has a 22 Catalina. I used to race Lasers and J30’s at the Naval Academy. I am also part of the Royal Annapolis Sailing club and various other clubs in the Annapolis region. I actually was home on leave about 6 months ago and entered in a race located in southern Ga. called Smooch on the Hooch…we got 2nd out of the 3 boats in our class, LOL.
Cheer’s for Vdubs and Sailing, two hobbies that let you enjoy life!
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| Sunfish are cool! Where are you located? |
Just a few miles awauy from the festering boil in the rectum of the US (AKA "Memphis, TN")
Don't sail here though, left my boats in NH, we do most of our sailing/paddling in Bear Brook State Park, Allenstown, NH
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Here's a question for you...what would you use to adhere teak to another wood surface, and fiberglass? |
For what purpose?
For something like a vaneer, I'd wide it down extra good wth acetone to try and get as much of the oils off of it and them use something like Gorilla Glue ( a moisture cured pulyuretane glue) to advere it.
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COFBack
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| Donated a Dragon? |
Went went our begging for money and/or boats to all the OKC and Tulsa Clubs. This guy said he had a boat he would donate. Hadn't been in the water for a decade. We took it not knowing what we were getting into. When it was all done it was a beautiful boat. Fun to sail and the club was so small it was like a bunch of kids having their own personal yacht. It was nice
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| COFBack, the Victory 21 sloop class was really big in the 60's into the 80's, do you remember them in Oklahoma/Texas? |
Not specifically. If I class raced it was Laser, 420s, 470s, J boats. At that time I didn't own anything. I just went down to the Hefner Yacht Club and hung out with a pair of gloves. Never had to wait long.
I did the same when I got down to Pensacola hoping to learn some ocean racing, but the first guy I hooked up with was a flaming asshole skipper. I raced twice with him, then bought my Hobie. Raced it a couple times but it was old and worn.
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Typ311Dave
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| Typ311Dave wrote: |
| Sunfish are cool! Where are you located? |
Just a few miles awauy from the festering boil in the rectum of the US (AKA "Memphis, TN")
Don't sail here though, left my boats in NH, we do most of our sailing/paddling in Bear Brook State Park, Allenstown, NH
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Here's a question for you...what would you use to adhere teak to another wood surface, and fiberglass? |
For what purpose?
For something like a vaneer, I'd wide it down extra good wth acetone to try and get as much of the oils off of it and them use something like Gorilla Glue ( a moisture cured pulyuretane glue) to advere it. |
I have a fiberglass sliding cuddy hatch on my Victory sailboat, doesn't pop up, it just slides fore and aft, the wood slats that the rails are screwed into are broken, so my neighbor who's a woodworker, milled out 2 pieces of teak just like the originals, and now I have to adhere the teak pieces to what looks like wood that is formed into the fiberglass, so I can screw the rails on then I could slide it back on the cuddy top.
Was thinking of lightly chiseling out the old epoxy, and sanding it smoth and using Gorilla Glue, but didn't know if that would work or if I should use something more powerful.
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| Was thinking of lightly chiseling out the old epoxy, and sanding it smoth and using Gorilla Glue, but didn't know if that would work or if I should use something more powerful. |
That'd do it, so long as you get all the oils off the wood before the glue goes on. Gorilla Glue is really strong stuff, but be careful not to over-do it. the stuff foams and oozes like crazy and is a b!tch to get off. I wipe it on and squeegee the excess off with a creadit card type of scraper.. You want just a very thin film. If you think you don't have enough, you probably have too much. practive on some scrap to get a feel for cleaning off the oils, and how much it's going to ooze and foam.
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Typ311Dave
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| Was thinking of lightly chiseling out the old epoxy, and sanding it smoth and using Gorilla Glue, but didn't know if that would work or if I should use something more powerful. |
That'd do it, so long as you get all the oils off the wood before the glue goes on. Gorilla Glue is really strong stuff, but be careful not to over-do it. the stuff foams and oozes like crazy and is a b!tch to get off. I wipe it on and squeegee the excess off with a creadit card type of scraper.. You want just a very thin film. If you think you don't have enough, you probably have too much. practive on some scrap to get a feel for cleaning off the oils, and how much it's going to ooze and foam. |
See that's the thing right there, my neighbor told me that teak is oily, and we even considered going with oak....that's too late now, but how do you get the oils off the wood?
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Paul D
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| SandSquid wrote: |
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| Was thinking of lightly chiseling out the old epoxy, and sanding it smoth and using Gorilla Glue, but didn't know if that would work or if I should use something more powerful. |
That'd do it, so long as you get all the oils off the wood before the glue goes on. Gorilla Glue is really strong stuff, but be careful not to over-do it. the stuff foams and oozes like crazy and is a b!tch to get off. I wipe it on and squeegee the excess off with a creadit card type of scraper.. You want just a very thin film. If you think you don't have enough, you probably have too much. practive on some scrap to get a feel for cleaning off the oils, and how much it's going to ooze and foam. |
See that's the thing right there, my neighbor told me that teak is oily, and we even considered going with oak....that's too late now, but how do you get the oils off the wood? |
The surface oil will evaporate after a few days outdoors, while the oil that remains below the surface will endure, enabling the wood's unmatched durability. Hence the reason teak was used instead of oak. Don't get me wrong oak is good, but teak can handle the elements much better.
All Guard has some very good teak cleaning products. If I recall correcty (from the crap jobs I had to do above) it removes mostly debris and surface oils. Hopefully enough for your application.
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See that's the thing right there, my neighbor told me that teak is oily,
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It is oily, but that is a good thing, for the most part.
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maybe white oak, but never red oak.
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wipe down w/ acetone.
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I've owned a few crusing boats (C&C's) and raced PHRF fleets before discovering fleet racing crewing in a Melges 24. I've since bought a J24 of my own.
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Typ311Dave
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Envious - A Type 3 guy and a Melgi/J24 Sailor! - I'm impressed!
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| Envious - A Type 3 guy and a Melgi/J24 Sailor! - I'm impressed! |
Is Melgi the plural of Melges 
Here's my J....whiplash
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