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localboy
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The most used tool out there is me, and what I've learned playing around with cars for the last 20+ years. Raising 2 kids, and making a house payment, and going to school, you can't afford to pay someone else to do the work, so you learn on your own stuff, and help others when you can. Don't get me wrong, I can't do carpentry (whenever I cut wood, it comes out too small, even when I cut twice  ), and what's up with a 2 by 4 being 1 1/2 by 3 1/2?? I think that kind of stuff messes me up more than anything.  |
Interesting.  Now I wouldn't paint a car, my welding skills are beginner and my body work raw...but I can build just about anything you need out of wood. And you got it wrong...it's "measure twice". 
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rumplestilskin
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ha ha lol ,who ever heard of "measurer twice" ha ha ah
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I used to have this quote in my sig: "It's more like: measure five times, cut large, and trim to fit."  I forget who said it.
Nice work on the Notch, BTW!
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| The most used tool out there is me, and what I've learned playing around with cars for the last 20+ years. Raising 2 kids, and making a house payment, and going to school, you can't afford to pay someone else to do the work, so you learn on your own stuff, and help others when you can. Don't get me wrong, I can't do carpentry (whenever I cut wood, it comes out too small, even when I cut twice ), and what's up with a 2 by 4 being 1 1/2 by 3 1/2?? I think that kind of stuff messes me up more than anything. |
Interesting. Now I wouldn't paint a car, my welding skills are beginner and my body work raw...but I can build just about anything you need out of wood. And you got it wrong...it's "measure twice". |
Well, I work with steel everyday at work, so it's no big deal, it's just thicker there. I started to learn my paint and body skills back in 90, after we got the 70 Fastback (the 1st car I tried to restore, that's due for some more touching up). I just kept building on what I learned from that car. But wood, I think I'm allergic to saw dust, and I can make a bunch of it when I try to do something. I have a friend who works with wood, does the most amazing things with it, and I'm in aw of those kind of people. Yes I measure it twice, sometimes 3 or 4 times too, but after I cut it, it's still too short. I think I could get good if I could find some wooden welding rod for it.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Bobnotch
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I got some fenders, and doors the other day Bob. Want to make a trip down and pick up a better set.
That and some doors, and more hoods. |
Any of it early? Still looking for a good pair of fronts, even if they need a graft job, and I know you've got an early hood or 2 out there. I know I still need a rear apron (the upper half for sure), as the one on the Notch has been visited by the "bondo meister", and he was creative, but it's aimed a little too low in the middle for my taste (at the trunk lid gap), not to mention it's stuffed with bondo. |
I got a couple of early fronts off a 65. They have a little rust, but not beyond your skills. I got them in that pile of "free" stuff I picked up.
I want to keep the lights and chrome off them. I need them for the 66 FB. |
I'm interested in them, most defintely intersted. I don't need the lights or the trim either. If you can hang on to them for me, I'll see about getting them one of these days. Those look pretty close to what's on your 66 right now.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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vwfye
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fantastic work bob!
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I got a couple of early fronts off a 65. They have a little rust, but not beyond your skills. I got them in that pile of "free" stuff I picked up.
I want to keep the lights and chrome off them. I need them for the 66 FB. |
I'm interested in them, most defintely intersted. I don't need the lights or the trim either. If you can hang on to them for me, I'll see about getting them one of these days. Those look pretty close to what's on your 66 right now. |
No, they are not like the ones on the 66. If you looked close at those, they are NOS, with red paint. But they are Euro, and have the holes for the side lights.
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66311
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| You really do bring something to the sport , Bob. Or maybe you keep it there. It is good to follow this build. Thank you. |
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Suesanctuary
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Location: Wishing we were still chest deep in Vw Parts at the Wolfe Estate.
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My next assignment, is sanding around the front and rear window openings, and then around the door openings and then the front apron- a job for tomorrow. I got lucky with this project, because the front and rear louvers got sand blasted, so I don't have to kill my fingers trying to get the paint out of all those damn little openings.  |
Well, needless to say it took me several days to complete "my next assignment." I ended up having to "dance" around the rear window louvers a little more than I had planned on. And I just finished sanding around the passenger side door opening earlier this afternoon. While I finished sanding the front apron tonight, Bob, sanded both doors.
Did I mention that sanding dust and a nasty cold don't go too well together?
He's out there putting on the primer now. Took more photos. The ones in the regular camera will have to wait til I get them developed on Sunday.
My next assignment will be sanding inside the car, don't remember where, but I'm sure he'll refresh my memory. I'm sure he'll have more to add when he gets thru out there.
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New York was the first state to require license plates, back in 1901. In those days, you had to make your own. Sears even sold Kits! Massachusetts was the first state to issue them in 1903.
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Bobnotch
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| fantastic work bob! |
Thanks. It's still on target for the Invasion. In fact shot some more primer on the doors, inner jams, and the front apron. Looks pretty good now, and it's mostly all "Invasion Gray".  Have you talked to John about what we'd like to see happen there?
Probably won't get anything done saturday, as I've got customer work to do. I did however pick up some more fluid, and I got the pedal stop installed, so I might sneek in a brake bleed during the day, along with a little sandblasting, as I've only got about 20 minutes worth that I'd like to finish.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Bobnotch
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| You really do bring something to the sport , Bob. Or maybe you keep it there. It is good to follow this build. Thank you. |
Thanks. I've been trying to show how you can do some of the repairs that your t-3 might need, or parts of the car most people have never seen before. I realize that I'm not doing a step by step showing, or video log, but more just covering bits and pieces. It was really more of inspiration(sp?) to help get some motivated (like Avy) and start working on their own cars. As most of the photos have shown, the process has either been in my 2 car garage, or out on my front lawn. No specialty shops here, just old fashioned hard work. Granted, I've probably got a little more experience with these cars than most do, but I did go thru the Bentley on my first resto, and still use it on every t-3 I do. Last year my son and I redid my dad's Thing, and there's no Bentley for it. So, I had to use a bug/ghia Bentley for most of it, and guess on the balance.
I'll try to keep this post updated as much as can, and I'll post pics when I've got some to post. Probably next week I'll work on the rockers, and maybe finsh the left front fender. One of them is a CIP repo part (that I've had here since 98 ), and the other will be formed from part of a rear fender. Also coming soon will be body work. I'll probably start with the worst part on the whole car... the right rear fender. It was pretty beat up when I got it, not to mention the 1/2" of bondo that I removed from both ends, and the 1/8th inch thick layer that ran the entire length.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Bobnotch
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Well, didn't get as much done this past weekend as I'd like to have, but I did get the door sandblasted, and primed off. Also started working on the rear fenders (starting with the right). Sue took a pic of it over the weekend before I did any work, and toward the bottom of the post you can see an after shot. They've both got a little more filler than I'd like to use, but a hell of a lot less than what was in them. I know you're waiting, so here ya go. Enjoy.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| "Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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aveyinc
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All I can say is... wow.
It is certainly a car again!
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| fantastic work bob, keep it comin! |
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localboy
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Damn the fender in that b4 pic looks like it was run over by a herd of cattle. (The roof of my Notch looked like that when I bought it.) Did you graft the large light portion onto older, small light fenders? I noticed in some last pics that it appeared that way. Just curious. Do you intend to paint it one day, Bob. If so, what color you going with....
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Tram
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So, Robert... When do I get to take delivery? 
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Bobnotch
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| Damn the fender in that b4 pic looks like it was run over by a herd of cattle. (The roof of my Notch looked like that when I bought it.) Did you graft the large light portion onto older, small light fenders? I noticed in some last pics that it appeared that way. Just curious. Do you intend to paint it one day, Bob. If so, what color you going with.... |
Yeah, I think so too (run over by a herd of cattle), but you shoulda seen it before I did anything to it- other than removing the bondo. It looked like it was chewed up and spat out. It took me hours to beat on it enough to make it look like it only got ran over by said cattle. That was part of the reason I had to do something with it / them, it just made all the work I've done on the car look like crap (gotta keep up the motivation). If I had a pair of better rear fenders, I'd have used them, but I didn't. At one point, I thought about slicing the Notch only portion of the rear fenders off, and graft them onto a set of Square rears. But after thinking about it, it seemed like too much work to go that route (basically weld the length of the fender). At least I didn't feel too bad about cutting up a set of 64 to 66 Notch "S" rear fenders.
I basically grafted the whole rear portion of some 71 Squareback rear fenders to the 64-66 Notchback fenders, so I could have the big ass taillights on there and the correct bumper indents. It took a little doing, but I finally got it to work like I wanted it to. The key was using the larger bumper indents, or the fender wouldn't flex to the tail light opening due to the bottom being more rounder and wider than the later parts. The later fenders tuck under, and curve more sooner at the rear end of the fender, hence the reason for going that way with them. Plus the right fender had a rust hole (about 1.25" in diameter) right in the curve near the bottom of the fender.
Yes, I intend to paint it one day. I'm now leaning toward the Nutria brown. I'd been looking at Notchbacks in the readers rides, and saw quite a few that were Peru green (my other color choice), but the Nutria brown just seemed to look better on the Notch body. Add to that, that I'm going to use ISP West's beautiful stainless steel side molding on it, and that should really bring the color to life. Add to that, I can get the Nutria brown in Concept paint, rather than laquer or cheap paint only, adds to the decision process. I can get a pint of it, then shoot the interior, then take the glove box door in to get it converted to a base coat clear coat system (which I prefer since it doesn't cover everything in the shop with it's over spray), and it should all match.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| "Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Suesanctuary
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Speaking of dents, I got to watch Bob use a "new" tool, in his arsenal of shadetree mechanic tools.
In the lower front apron, in front of where the spare tire sits, between the crash bars holes, above the seam, but in that last lower six inches, there were two off centered "fist-sized" dents.
He wandered up to the front of the garage/shop and picked an old dusty "Louisville slugger" that had been leaning there in the corner for God knows how long, carried it back to the front trunk, and with very little effort, dropped it down on the first dent and popped it right out to where it should be. He then side stepped over to the second dent and repeated the process, but he had to give it a second thump with the bat on that one.
Taaa Daaa!!! Two less dents!
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70 Fastback-AT w/ pop-outs
Did you know:
New York was the first state to require license plates, back in 1901. In those days, you had to make your own. Sears even sold Kits! Massachusetts was the first state to issue them in 1903.
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notchboy
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| Bob you make it look easy! Great job and pics. I guess you realy want a nice solid notch to show off come invasion time |
Wow! You da man.
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