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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Where he shows the screw going in is just a rubber lip with a spring. Try on the part of the seal with the recessed blocks in it, that part of the seal has a metal backing.
The seal puller you bought usually works well but maybe not in this situation. Are you laying it flat against the shaft and wedging it under the seal? |
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chimivee Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 741 Location: Orange, CA
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:11 am Post subject: |
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I'm in the middle of this job, and I can't get the old flange seals out. I tried inserting a screw as mentioned by the OP, but the screw simply tore out as I pried. Found a "seal puller" at Sears, like this:
I gave it a go, but I'm not sure it's meant for this odd shaped seal (or maybe I'm using it wrong ).
Any other ideas on getting these seals things out?. Today was a frustrating Vanagaon day. _________________ -James
86 Syncro Westy, etc |
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Turk.380 Samba Member
Joined: June 22, 2009 Posts: 320 Location: St. Louis
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
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EDIT: After Googling your exact part description / part # it appears that I'm not alone! Lots of Vortex and water-cooled forum threads of folks trying to find this same screw. apparently it's also used as a speedo cable retainer on Rabbits |
'84-'99 jetta use it as a speedo cable retainer bolt
'68-'79 busses and all vanagons use it in the same position
Just some more wrecking yard options for you.
You can get them from vwdiscountparts.com for less than a buck and a half each new. |
Thanks for the source, but after shipping I may as well just pay the dealer price for a few.
Bookmarked for future oddball part needs though, thanks! _________________ Brian W
St. Louis, MO
'64 SO-33 Hatch Top Westy | '87 Syncro Westy: Subaru EZ30D powered | 2002 VW Winnebago Vista |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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EDIT: After Googling your exact part description / part # it appears that I'm not alone! Lots of Vortex and water-cooled forum threads of folks trying to find this same screw. apparently it's also used as a speedo cable retainer on Rabbits |
'84-'99 jetta use it as a speedo cable retainer bolt
'68-'79 busses and all vanagons use it in the same position
Just some more wrecking yard options for you.
You can get them from vwdiscountparts.com for less than a buck and a half each new. |
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Summers420us Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2010 Posts: 759 Location: Amissville, Virginia
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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They are VERY proud of their hardware! |
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Turk.380 Samba Member
Joined: June 22, 2009 Posts: 320 Location: St. Louis
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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presslab wrote: |
Did you use an impact driver to get the screws out?
ETKA shows the screws as M7x1.25x13, part number N 090 173 3. It is an odd screw, hope that helps you to find it. |
Yeah, I did. But the Phillips slots were already completely rounded out, so I had to carefully cut a new slot and and then used a flat blade in the impact driver.
I do not want to put those back in!!!
thanks for the specs... still searching. All the suppliers I've found so far only go up to an M6.
EDIT: After Googling your exact part description / part # it appears that I'm not alone! Lots of Vortex and water-cooled forum threads of folks trying to find this same screw. apparently it's also used as a speedo cable retainer on Rabbits!
EDIT #2: Dealer orderable... 6$ EACH!! _________________ Brian W
St. Louis, MO
'64 SO-33 Hatch Top Westy | '87 Syncro Westy: Subaru EZ30D powered | 2002 VW Winnebago Vista |
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presslab Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2008 Posts: 1730 Location: Sonoma County
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:55 am Post subject: |
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stl_stadtroller wrote: |
The part that's holding me up are the 4 M7(?) pan head screws which secure the dust cover / retainer.
I had to darn near destroy my screws getting them out, and I'm having a surprisingly hard time sourcing replacements.
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Did you use an impact driver to get the screws out?
ETKA shows the screws as M7x1.25x13, part number N 090 173 3. It is an odd screw, hope that helps you to find it. _________________ 1986 Vanagon Westfalia EJ25
1988 Subaru GL-10 EJ20G --- 2000 Honda XR650L
2010 Titus El Guapo --- 2011 On-One 456 Ti |
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Turk.380 Samba Member
Joined: June 22, 2009 Posts: 320 Location: St. Louis
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in the middle of doing a complete seal-job and reconditioning of my Syncro trans, and I'm at the part where I should be re-installing my drive flanges.
The part that's holding me up are the 4 M7(?) pan head screws which secure the dust cover / retainer.
I had to darn near destroy my screws getting them out, and I'm having a surprisingly hard time sourcing replacements.
Does anyone have a reliable source for these screws?
Not even Google has helped me here, neither has the search on this forum, though it did reveal this thread thankfully!
Thanks all! _________________ Brian W
St. Louis, MO
'64 SO-33 Hatch Top Westy | '87 Syncro Westy: Subaru EZ30D powered | 2002 VW Winnebago Vista |
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86syncrowesty Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2010 Posts: 115 Location: Colorado Front Range
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, the seal appeared to be seated fully and the circlip acted like it seated fully and doubled checked it to make sure. I will watched it, it may be just a millimeter or less. _________________ 1986 Vanagon -- Syncro, Westy
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srmpf Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2011 Posts: 296
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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that doesn't sound right - the flange should sit on the axle with no play at all. you need some force to get it off and later back on again. Some need more, some less force. I would check the seal again, you might end up with some play if the seal is not seated deep enough, IMHO.
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Just did my driver side seal, wondering, the axle flange seems to have slight play in/out, could that be I seated the seal to deeply? I do also have a Small car speed sensor. |
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86syncrowesty Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2010 Posts: 115 Location: Colorado Front Range
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Just did my driver side seal, wondering, the axle flange seems to have slight play in/out, could that be I seated the seal to deeply? I do also have a Small car speed sensor. _________________ 1986 Vanagon -- Syncro, Westy
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srmpf Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2011 Posts: 296
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for that great writeup - did the job today in two hours
some hints from my side:
- to remove the flange I had to use a puller tool (rented that for free at the local autozone).
- I used a 46mm nut to hammer the flange seal into place.
- getting the flange back on needed a bit help of a piece of hardwood and a hammer. driver side was easy, passenger side needed more force.
- a smaller nut (27mm) was a great help to put the final seal/cap in place (together with some RTV). |
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singler3360 Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 1191 Location: Corvallis, Oregon
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Blix wrote: |
Do I need Final Drive Seal or Rear Final Drive Seal?
Also what is the spacer piece listed in parts? Can't seem to find that.
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Bump up to see if there are answers to these questions. Thanks. |
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Blix Samba Member
Joined: August 12, 2009 Posts: 131 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Still trying to get my head around this job, I'm determined to do this but just need to let it percolate for a week or so first. Trying to get the parts off of busdepot at the moment.
Is this the cap? https://busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=002517289A
Do I need Final Drive Seal or Rear Final Drive Seal?
Also what is the spacer piece listed in parts? Can't seem to find that.
I'll take a long look at this when the bentley arrives. Also got the haynes manual maybe it discusses this job as well.
Many thanks to all of you for providing this information and knowledge.
_________________ When I say whas up, you know where I'm from.
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captainpartytime Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2005 Posts: 715 Location: Mission Viejo, CA
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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I took the whole axle off as it made the job a lot easier. I also figured I might as well repack both CV's since I was already doing one side... _________________ -Kerry
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deprivation Samba Member
Joined: September 14, 2006 Posts: 1220 Location: Austin, Texas
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: |
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unibagel wrote: |
1. After I remove all of the CV Bolts does the Axle just move out of the way, or do I need to remove entire driveshaft out of the Van? |
Once the CV bolts are off, gravity will do the rest. It might make the job a little easier to just take the whole axle off. And why not take the time to repack the joints while you're in there?
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2. Best case scenario, how long to typically do the job? |
I replaced my flange seals in a few hours but I tend to work slowly. _________________ 1986 Westy 2WD auto a.k.a. "The Old Girl"
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unibagel Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2004 Posts: 528 Location: Bflo, NY
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the speedy and informative response!! I have a couple of questions though.
1. After I remove all of the CV Bolts does the Axle just move out of the way, or do I need to remove entire driveshaft out of the Van?
2. Best case scenario, how long to typically do the job?
Thanks!
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kevinbassplayer Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2006 Posts: 1041 Location: Nor-Cal
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Lucky! (read with the Napoelean Dynamite voice) |
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captainpartytime Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2005 Posts: 715 Location: Mission Viejo, CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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My flange came right off. I rapped on it very gently with a mechanics hammer to try and resonate the metal in order to loosen it. I then hit it a couple times with a rubber mallet and it came off with very little pulling force. I definitely DID NOT need a puller. When I re-assembled the flange I rapped it again pretty hard with my rubber mallet to try and seat the flange. I then opened up the new circlip with my pliers and installed it. The circlip wasn't fully seated so I took my brass punch and very gently tapped the circlip working it around until it finally seated. For me, getting the new seal fully seated was the hardest part. Another poster told me to get a socket that just barely cleared the shaft and tap on it which would push on the flange and force the circlip on. I thought this was a good idea but I didn't have any sockets that big (bigger than 22 mm). I would say that this install was easier than I originally anticipated. It's been almost a month and I haven't seen any tranny fluid leak since! Good Luck!!! _________________ -Kerry
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kevinbassplayer Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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I did this job several months ago and there seemsto be a key component missing. In order to re-install the flange it was necessary to make a special tool with a threaded bolt going through a metal plate to compress the flange back on. I originally tried hammering the thing on with a rubber mallet but there was no way. I'm not sure how you did it without using something to press the flange back on. I also needed to use a standard type gear puller to get the flanges off. Great pictures! |
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