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Sigurd
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 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: Should this have a thermostat? |
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Like the subject says, should there be a thermostat here? I took off one of the lower tin pieces on the passenger side, and I only see an unused stud. This picture was shot looking up with my head pointing toward the front of the car.
And I know that my engine is very oily. It's getting rebuilt this winter. Why is there oil on the cylinder fins? |
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Sigurd
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| So then can I assume that the PO wired the flaps open? Are there even flaps at all? I can't see any sort of linkage at all. |
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darkdune
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on the back of the fan shroud there should be a linkage
if it's there you'll know..
if not locate one and install it and the thermostat.
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Sigurd
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, I'll check it out tomorrow. Don't you have to have the shroud off to do that? |
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darkdune
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no it's on the back of the shroud, not inside it
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Glenn
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| darkdune wrote: |
| no it's on the back of the shroud, not inside it |
No it's on the "front" of the shroud.
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miniman82
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Should this have a thermostat? |
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| Why is there oil on the cylinder fins? |
Because your jugs are leaking at the base, or a head stud isn't properly sealed.
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darkdune
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| Glenn wrote: |
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| no it's on the back of the shroud, not inside it |
No it's on the "front" of the shroud.
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Banzai KG
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Should this have a thermostat? |
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| miniman82 wrote: |
| Sigurd wrote: |
| Why is there oil on the cylinder fins? |
Because your jugs are leaking at the base, or a head stud isn't properly sealed. |
Also a punctured pushrod tube or worn/broken pushrod tube seals could also cause the oiling on the cylinder fins.
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Sigurd
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Thought I'd follow this up. The flaps were in place, but there was no return spring. Turns out that the flaps were stuck closed. I confirmed this by feeling the sudden extra blast of hot air under the car when I opened them. I can also touch the dipstick, and I don't get a face-full of hot air when I open the lid.
Which means that I did indeed take a roadtrip to Freeport, IL (about 60 mile round trip) in mid-August (about 90 degrees) with the flaps shut. So that would explain the oil light at idle. Testament to VW engineering or mental note to never assume anything when buying a car? |
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Matthew
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It would be interesting to see a data log of those cylinder head and oil temps.
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KTPhil
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Do you drive backwards, too?
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wcfvw69
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| Sigurd wrote: |
Thought I'd follow this up. The flaps were in place, but there was no return spring. Turns out that the flaps were stuck closed. I confirmed this by feeling the sudden extra blast of hot air under the car when I opened them. I can also touch the dipstick, and I don't get a face-full of hot air when I open the lid.
Which means that I did indeed take a roadtrip to Freeport, IL (about 60 mile round trip) in mid-August (about 90 degrees) with the flaps shut. So that would explain the oil light at idle. Testament to VW engineering or mental note to never assume anything when buying a car? |
Humm...i wouldn't trust that engine if you overheated it that bad. If the engine doesn't have case savers installed you probably pulled a few cylinder studs loose which is causing your oil leak. Personally, I would tear it apart sooner than later.
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Sigurd
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| Sigurd wrote: |
Thought I'd follow this up. The flaps were in place, but there was no return spring. Turns out that the flaps were stuck closed. I confirmed this by feeling the sudden extra blast of hot air under the car when I opened them. I can also touch the dipstick, and I don't get a face-full of hot air when I open the lid.
Which means that I did indeed take a roadtrip to Freeport, IL (about 60 mile round trip) in mid-August (about 90 degrees) with the flaps shut. So that would explain the oil light at idle. Testament to VW engineering or mental note to never assume anything when buying a car? |
Humm...i wouldn't trust that engine if you overheated it that bad. If the engine doesn't have case savers installed you probably pulled a few cylinder studs loose which is causing your oil leak. Personally, I would tear it apart sooner than later. |
The crank had about an 1/8 inch of play when I got it. I knew I was on borrowed time anyway. Whoops. That knocking upon cold start-up can't be good either...
I'm planning a ground-up 1915 as we speak. DRD 40 x 37, FK-8, 40 Dells, full doghouse tin and more. To be constructed while the car is out to pasture this winter. |
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Sigurd
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Do you drive backwards, too?
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What if his engine is mid-mounted?  |
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Jody '71
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Sigurd,
The flap assemblies you have will interchange with a doghouse fanshroud. DO get yourself an original German fanshroud, aftermarket ones will not have the holes for the flap assemblies to be bolted in. You will only need a doghouse linkage bar, return spring, thermostat mounting bracket, thermostat rod, and thermostat, and do make sure there is a Hoover bit installed on your oil cooler. I'd start looking for these parts now!! Classifieds usually has what you need.
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Sigurd
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Sigurd,
The flap assemblies you have will interchange with a doghouse fanshroud. DO get yourself an original German fanshroud, aftermarket ones will not have the holes for the flap assemblies to be bolted in. You will only need a doghouse linkage bar, return spring, thermostat mounting bracket, thermostat rod, and thermostat, and do make sure there is a Hoover bit installed on your oil cooler. I'd start looking for these parts now!! Classifieds usually has what you need. |
Yup, already doin it. I have a shroud (free), firewall tin (cheap), flaps+linkage (free), and 2-piece exhaust tin (in the mail). So I think I just need the cooler, seals, and Hoover bit.
Is this Hoover repro any good?
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I think so, (I might be biased though  )
Check out my feedback.
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