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toolman2800 Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2004 Posts: 1053 Location: Florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: What can you tell me about IRS Kits |
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what have your heard, likes, dislikes, problems? _________________ "some-times there's a man--I won't say a hee-ro,'cause what's a hee-ro?--but sometimes there's a man, And I'm talkin' about the Dude here, sometimes there's a man who, wal, he's the man for his time'n place, he fits right in there--and that's the Dude" - The Big Lebowski |
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sled Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 6179
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: |
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IRS is great.
ryno's brackets are nice
wagenswest is nice too although ive heard of some fitment issues.
those two are the most cost effective in my opinion. both of these are for beetle IRS while there are some kits offered to swap in bus IRS. bus IRS is also nice as there is slightly more travel in the cv's if youre trying to go super low or super high. for stock height, either will work.
also, with IRS you will have to run a slightly smaller tires than the stock tires as IRS gearing is taller. i suppose if you had a very large motor that could handle the extra load of tall gears then you wouldnt have to get smaller tires. an early beetle IRS is a 4.12 R&P while a late beetle IRS is a 3.88 R&P. the 4.12 would work better if you want closer to stock sized tires while 3.88 would work well if you want to go low and use small tires. _________________ drive your split. |
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Lohe Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2007 Posts: 662 Location: Chandler, Az
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Who carries ryno's brackets please? |
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sled Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 6179
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: |
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ryno (ryan) does. you can find his add here on the samba. Ryno's Dub Shop. _________________ drive your split. |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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I heard you have to hack your bus to install IRS.
To me that is a large detraction.
Why are you wanting IRS? I mean, if it is a gearing thing, there are gearing options available while keeping it a bolt on swing axle trans.
I had someone tell me that I NEEDED to swap my baja truck over to IRS to get the gearing I wanted. _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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House Minutia Militia
Joined: June 13, 2001 Posts: 1768
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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I would like to shoot whoever did this one...
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sled Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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i think we established in another thread that there is no hacking involved in an IRS swap....
maybe he wants to put IRS in just so he has something to do?
IRS is bolt on. _________________ drive your split. |
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toolman2800 Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2004 Posts: 1053 Location: Florida
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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After talking with some of the most knowledgable people in fl. Chad, Kip, Mike FP, I have decided to go with IRS for longevity and reliability and the heavy duty bay brakes. around here we have had lots of trubble with falcrum plates, and spinning drums. I want to put it to gather and never touch it again. I believe I am going with 68-69 bus Hubs, Spring plates, Axils, and trailing arms, used with a 4.12 Beetle trans with a .82 final installed. anyone know if Ryno Buckets will work with bus trailing arms. _________________ "some-times there's a man--I won't say a hee-ro,'cause what's a hee-ro?--but sometimes there's a man, And I'm talkin' about the Dude here, sometimes there's a man who, wal, he's the man for his time'n place, he fits right in there--and that's the Dude" - The Big Lebowski |
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eddiemoney East Coast Scavenger
Joined: April 08, 2004 Posts: 1950 Location: Orlando
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toolman2800 Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2004 Posts: 1053 Location: Florida
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Will
we have had this conversation before I spell for no man. _________________ "some-times there's a man--I won't say a hee-ro,'cause what's a hee-ro?--but sometimes there's a man, And I'm talkin' about the Dude here, sometimes there's a man who, wal, he's the man for his time'n place, he fits right in there--and that's the Dude" - The Big Lebowski |
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SHSC Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2001 Posts: 1785 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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toolman2800 wrote: |
around here we have had lots of trubble with falcrum plates, and spinning drums. |
Is that a regional problem? Maybe it's the humidity or the proximity to the ocean? _________________ DKB |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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sled wrote: |
i think we established in another thread that there is no hacking involved in an IRS swap.... |
you mean here?:
Sweet Rides wrote: |
Clara wrote: |
sled wrote: |
IRS is a bolt on modification.
and like clara said, you can run large tires with your stock reduction boxes or put in IRS or a straight axle and run smaller tires. either way you shouldnt have a problem doing 70. much more than that, and a small engine wont have the power to overcome the poor aerodynamics of the bus. |
Ah... never done an IRS, but I've heard people hack their buses to do IRS.
I didn't say run large tires, I said run STOCK OD tires.
You can also run large tires (meaning larger than stock) for effective higher gearing. ie with a 64-67 bus, running 15" wheel with stock size tires for the rims.
but before you decide to do a bunch of work/ spend a bunch of money, tell us, what is your gearing now? |
Actually Clara is right. i have not seen an IRS that is a simple bolt in mod. At the very least you need to cut off the upper rear shock mounts , reposition them by a couple of inches and then reweld them in, in order to retain proper suspension geometery.
The above mod is the least invasive one i`ve seen, With the more invasive IRS kits like, the ones from Creative-enginnering for example, you have to completly cut off the frame horns all together and weld in new ones supplied in the IRS conversion kit Not a job for the diy home mechanic, I would recommend the use of an alaignment gig for this type of IRS.
Better still, i`m with Clara on this and I`d recommend sticking with good old RGB`s. With a 3.88r&P oyou`ll have a nice tall gearing that you can pair up with a bigger motor if you so desire. This, IMO, is a really good set up that doesn`t detract from the buses originality or charm. |
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maybe he wants to put IRS in just so he has something to |
Maybe. I dunno. That's why I asked. _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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toolman2800 Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2004 Posts: 1053 Location: Florida
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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well we had a bad run of drums a while back then a run of bad axil tubes, a shortage of type 3 brake componets, we are mostly runnin beetle rear drums these days. I say Round Here because I haven't had time to talk to any body outside florida. _________________ "some-times there's a man--I won't say a hee-ro,'cause what's a hee-ro?--but sometimes there's a man, And I'm talkin' about the Dude here, sometimes there's a man who, wal, he's the man for his time'n place, he fits right in there--and that's the Dude" - The Big Lebowski |
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vw7266 Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2004 Posts: 3038 Location: the point, ohio
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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yea theres no hack to irs at all...maybe a little trim if you trying to really lay it low...but I didnt have to trim too much. I bought mine from ryan...I think it may have been the first set he made for someone other than himself? I was happy with everything, props to rynos63 |
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toolman2800 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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vw7266 wrote: |
yea theres no hack to irs at all...maybe a little trim if you trying to really lay it low...but I didnt have to trim too much. I bought mine from ryan...I think it may have been the first set he made for someone other than himself? I was happy with everything, props to rynos63 |
did you do the T 1 or T 2 conversion _________________ "some-times there's a man--I won't say a hee-ro,'cause what's a hee-ro?--but sometimes there's a man, And I'm talkin' about the Dude here, sometimes there's a man who, wal, he's the man for his time'n place, he fits right in there--and that's the Dude" - The Big Lebowski |
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vw7266 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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im running a 4:12 out of a 73 square...with the larger type 3 rear brakes...also runnin the thin adapter on them too to get from the 4 lug to 5 lug
pm me if you need any other details |
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toolman2800 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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vw7266 wrote: |
im running a 4:12 out of a 73 square...with the larger type 3 rear brakes...also runnin the thin adapter on them too to get from the 4 lug to 5 lug
pm me if you need any other details |
Ya commin to Buli bugade _________________ "some-times there's a man--I won't say a hee-ro,'cause what's a hee-ro?--but sometimes there's a man, And I'm talkin' about the Dude here, sometimes there's a man who, wal, he's the man for his time'n place, he fits right in there--and that's the Dude" - The Big Lebowski |
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Mikee Samba A.D.D. Boy
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 3510 Location: Puyallup WA
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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vw7266 wrote: |
yea theres no hack to irs at all...maybe a little trim if you trying to really lay it low...but I didnt have to trim too much. I bought mine from ryan...I think it may have been the first set he made for someone other than himself? I was happy with everything, props to rynos63 |
not to argue this, but to me thats hacking, and the reason I wont run IRS. Granted it not much and most people can live with it, but I dont like cutting.
I did have a bus with IRS in it, I loved it. It is now in England
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sled Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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to simply instal beetle IRS there is no cutting involved.
if you feel the need to cut then you must be trying to go low, which it does not sound like he is.
to install bus IRS there is cutting involved.
i have done a highly modified IRS swap into my bus. if i didnt want it to be super low then i wouldnt have had to make ANY cuts.
never said RGB's sucked, simply said that IRS CAN be a simply bolt on application if you so desire. _________________ drive your split. |
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vw7266 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Mikee wrote: |
vw7266 wrote: |
yea theres no hack to irs at all...maybe a little trim if you trying to really lay it low...but I didnt have to trim too much. I bought mine from ryan...I think it may have been the first set he made for someone other than himself? I was happy with everything, props to rynos63 |
not to argue this, but to me thats hacking, and the reason I wont run IRS. Granted it not much and most people can live with it, but I dont like cutting.
I did have a bus with IRS in it, I loved it. It is now in England
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fair enough...like i said mines low all I trimmed was the lip of the cradle and nothing more ...love that panel^^^
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