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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:50 am    Post subject: Oval Convertible top installation. Reply with quote

After much investigating I decided to install my top myself. The cost for someone else to do this for me was going to be way over $3000. Shocked I priced the materials and they came up to about $875, that includes a Mohair headliner, German canvas top, padding material, rear window wood bow and misc hardware (tack, glues, etc;) I would really like to thank L572 and Billb for sending me the instructions, without those I would not have been able to do this, thanks guys. Wink

This won't be a step by step thread but it will detail what is involved in installing a convertible top on an oval vert. You will see some pics where I got ahead of myself on a few steps but that is because I did not have all the material when I started. I hope it helps anybody thinking of doing this themselves. I REALLY suggest you get a set of instructions before doing this, there are critical measurements that must be followed for the top to fit. I had instructions for 1954-1957 and 1958-1961 verts. The later instructions were a little more detailed than the earlier instructions which were kinda vague and had less pictures.

My wood was in fair to poor condition. I had to make my rear bow myself, luckly I had my old rear bow to take a pattern from and I had to repair my main bow, it's $400 plus new Shocked
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Header bow
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dome light holder bracket
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Here's the front bow gasket I made from some high density foam.
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Covering the front bow
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Facing for front of headliner
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I nailed it right side down to the header bow and glued some 1/8" foam
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Folded the corner 45deg
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folded back the headliner material
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inside of header is done
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That's it for now, I'm almost done with my top and I will add some more pics later today.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:46 am    Post subject: Re: Oval vert top installation. Reply with quote

Ninamashr wrote:
I had to make my rear bow myself, luckly I had my old rear bow to take a pattern from and I had to repair my main bow, it's $400 plus new Shocked


we were just talking about this, I hope it works out...

I am missing the same rear bow, mine is broken.... did you keep the pattern that you could share with me?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Oval vert top installation. Reply with quote

2Dokas wrote:
Ninamashr wrote:
I had to make my rear bow myself, luckly I had my old rear bow to take a pattern from and I had to repair my main bow, it's $400 plus new Shocked


we were just talking about this, I hope it works out...

I am missing the same rear bow, mine is broken.... did you keep the pattern that you could share with me?

cheers

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I'm sorry mine was in three pieces. So i could not save it. I didn't think any one could use it. That's what I get for violating the " Never throw anything away " rule. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice job with the dome light Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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nice job with the dome light Wink


Thx! I made it removable so when the headliner gets put in it won't be in the way.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On to the header
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I decided to go with tacks because when I took off the original top the tacks where VERY hard to remove. They should last longer cause they are galvanized
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Per the instruction you have to add a piece of leather here to make the wood flush with the metal

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I started to attach the straps to the wood and wrapped the wood in the headliner material
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I also covered the bottom with vinyl to keep the water from touching the wood
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Straps are in and dome light is wired
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Here comes the headliner. It has to go in order, 1)main bow. 2) rear top bow. 3) bottom bow, 4) header bow 5) trunk wood pieces. 6) metal bow behind main wood bow. 7) metal bow between main and header bow.
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Header is in nice and tight
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The inside looks loose but that will be fixed in the last step of the headliner install
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This is how you take out the wrinkles by nailing a string along the seams ,sewing the seams to the string and pull until the wrinkles are gone
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Front looks good
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Now the dome light bracket is hooked up again
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Very cool Albert dome light, actual glass not plastic
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Ok for now I should finish by tommorrow. 8)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have some real skills. It has been cool watching your progress with that car since your very first post here.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good. That shit ain't easy! Applause
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major Woody wrote:
You have some real skills. It has been cool watching your progress with that car since your very first post here.

Chris


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Looks good. That shit ain't easy! Applause


Thanks guys, thanks for those words of encouragement, they really keep me going. I'm doing this to give something back for all the help this site has given me since my brother left me his car. I really appreciate all the comments and suggestions you and all your fellow sambaists have given me.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great work Very Happy

Keep the pictures coming!!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks great ninamasher, thanks again for the info, my verts getting its top put on this week. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GREAT work and props to you for tackling it yourself (and sharing the knowledge and pics).

I encourage people to try to do things themselves all the time, and some stammer and say "No, I can't do that. I don't have the skills you do." And I always tell them "Hey, I wasn't born with these skills!!!" Just do it!!

So maybe you F-up the top, so tear it all off and do it again! You probably will still not be into it for as much as paying someone, and look at what you LEARNED!!! Again, kudos to you!!.

I did the top on my old '85 Cabrio years ago (no, I'm not gay BTW.....Rolling Eyes ). I just made sure I gave me self a WHOLE weekend to do it... and it came out great. Take your time, research, ask questions on the web.. and do it YOURSELF, that is what I say....

Can't wait to see pics of it done.....!!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Keep the pictures coming!!


Thanks mike, I've been watching your progress on the vert. That metal work is excellent, keep it up!
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Looks great ninamasher, thanks again for the info, my verts getting its top put on this week. Very Happy


Congrats Steve, I actually finished my top this past saturday, it came out pretty good, just need to tweek it a bit here and there. I'll try to finish this thread later tonight and post the finished product pics.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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GREAT work and props to you for tackling it yourself (and sharing the knowledge and pics).

I encourage people to try to do things themselves all the time, and some stammer and say "No, I can't do that. I don't have the skills you do." And I always tell them "Hey, I wasn't born with these skills!!!" Just do it!!

So maybe you F-up the top, so tear it all off and do it again! You probably will still not be into it for as much as paying someone, and look at what you LEARNED!!! Again, kudos to you!!.

I did the top on my old '85 Cabrio years ago (no, I'm not gay BTW.....Rolling Eyes ). I just made sure I gave me self a WHOLE weekend to do it... and it came out great. Take your time, research, ask questions on the web.. and do it YOURSELF, that is what I say....

Can't wait to see pics of it done.....!!


Very cool words and EXCELLENT advice to live by John! The only way to learn is to do. You can't pay for the experiance you will get when you actually do the work yourself. I know every nut and bolt of my car and it really helps when things happen like this weekend. I went to a show and my car would not start when I was leaving, the engine would turn, but, not fire. I had redone the wiring behind the dash months ago and I figured out it was my tach that was the problem. It had shorted out inside and was not sending power to the coil. I just bypassed the tach and went on my merry way. I would not have been able to figure out what was wrong unless I knew how the circuit was wired. It PAYS to do all the work yourself and the knowldge you get from it is priceless. (not to mention your wallet will be VERY happy)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice job! Did you put anything on those bows? Like polyurethane or some sort of paint?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On to the muslin padding/foam liner, it has to be glued and nailed into place and is made from 5 different pieces

Here's the rear window frame with the wood insert. Got that insert from Chuck's Convertible parts. Great guy to deal with and he shipped it right away when I really needed it the most! I centered the frame in the muslin sheet a little bit lower to the bottom
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Before you center the window in it's location you have to add an strap to both sides as additional bracing so when the top is closed your headliner won't rip out.
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Here's the front piece just nailed over the front and hanging on the sides
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Here's a rear view
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This is the rear corner sheet
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Now the final piece is set in
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Another view, sorry for the out focus, it was late Laughing
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A close up of the rear window frame. After 1-1/2 years I can finally look behind me!!! Surprised
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Ok for now I gotta go, should finish later tonight!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

markm wrote:
Nice job! Did you put anything on those bows? Like polyurethane or some sort of paint?


Thanks Mark. Actually I did not use anything for the wood, just natural. However as part of the main bow repair I did cover the bottom 3/4" in fiberglass as a rienforcement. It has a 1/8" layer of fiberglass mat to keep it from breaking, just a little bit of piece of mind for me. You can barely see it on this pic.

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Looks great ninamasher, thanks again for the info, my verts getting its top put on this week. Very Happy


Congrats Steve, I actually finished my top this past saturday, it came out pretty good, just need to tweek it a bit here and there. I'll try to finish this thread later tonight and post the finished product pics.


Badass man, this topic came up just in time Very Happy

I may have missed it, but how long did it take to install?
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