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VOODOOKING
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| michael schramm wrote: |
cool video corey,
I would have never guessed that the body was painted basically assembled.
When I install glass Im alittle more carefull then the guy in the video.....  I guess when you do it everyday, all day, you kinda know the limitations...but he looks like he is beating the crap out of that glass with the rubber mallet.  |
yeah I was thinkin' that too,dont think I'd have the balls to start banging on my windows even if it is a rubber mallet,but then again after installing the windows in my car alone,might have helped me out some |
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johnshenry 
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| VOODOOKING wrote: |
| michael schramm wrote: |
cool video corey,
I would have never guessed that the body was painted basically assembled.
When I install glass Im alittle more carefull then the guy in the video..... I guess when you do it everyday, all day, you kinda know the limitations...but he looks like he is beating the crap out of that glass with the rubber mallet. |
yeah I was thinkin' that too,dont think I'd have the balls to start banging on my windows even if it is a rubber mallet,but then again after installing the windows in my car alone,might have helped me out some |
I might whack on mine with a mallet if I had a stack of new NOS ones 5 feet high right next to me...... 
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Scott H
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| johnshenry wrote: |
| VOODOOKING wrote: |
| michael schramm wrote: |
cool video corey,
I would have never guessed that the body was painted basically assembled.
When I install glass Im alittle more carefull then the guy in the video..... I guess when you do it everyday, all day, you kinda know the limitations...but he looks like he is beating the crap out of that glass with the rubber mallet. |
yeah I was thinkin' that too,dont think I'd have the balls to start banging on my windows even if it is a rubber mallet,but then again after installing the windows in my car alone,might have helped me out some |
I might whack on mine with a mallet if I had a stack of new NOS ones 5 feet high right next to me...... |
As opposed to old NOS ones?
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splitmike
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| those new new ones are better. |
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VOODOOKING
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| michael schramm wrote: |
| those new new ones are better. |
the best |
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bastardbus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| johnshenry wrote: |
I might whack on mine with a mallet if I had a stack of new NOS ones 5 feet high right next to me...... |
Wouldn't those windows have been just NS at that time...
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Lind
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| johnshenry wrote: |
| VOODOOKING wrote: |
| michael schramm wrote: |
cool video corey,
I would have never guessed that the body was painted basically assembled.
When I install glass Im alittle more carefull then the guy in the video..... I guess when you do it everyday, all day, you kinda know the limitations...but he looks like he is beating the crap out of that glass with the rubber mallet. |
yeah I was thinkin' that too,dont think I'd have the balls to start banging on my windows even if it is a rubber mallet,but then again after installing the windows in my car alone,might have helped me out some |
I might whack on mine with a mallet if I had a stack of new NOS ones 5 feet high right next to me...... |
can you even break tempered glass with a rubber mallet at all? try sometime on superbeetle or something.
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johnshenry
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| bastardbus wrote: |
| johnshenry wrote: |
I might whack on mine with a mallet if I had a stack of new NOS ones 5 feet high right next to me...... |
Wouldn't those windows have been just NS at that time... |
Uh yeah. Good call!!!
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vdubinit
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Yes, indeed. Very nice. Sadly they do not shed light on the apparent verts in this photo:
So currently the opinion seems to be that VW wouldn't waste time and money assembling a sedan body shell just to have it hacked by Karmann. Instead, that VW created partial vert shells minus roofs, cowls, windshields and various other components, but with fenders attached, to be shipped to Karmann for completion. Still doesn't sound completely right.
Although I also don't want to hijack this thread. Keep those cool vintage photos coming!!! |
Why would those splits be sent to karmann with sedan decklids installed
also seems unlikely they had a dedicated line just for kabrios to be sent to Karmann to be converted to convertible.....two lines for sedans and one line for convertibles ........So I guess for every two sedans made one convertible was made ........So split verts aren;t rare no more 
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Splitdog
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| 79SuperVert wrote: |
Yes, indeed. Very nice. Sadly they do not shed light on the apparent verts in this photo:
So currently the opinion seems to be that VW wouldn't waste time and money assembling a sedan body shell just to have it hacked by Karmann. Instead, that VW created partial vert shells minus roofs, cowls, windshields and various other components, but with fenders attached, to be shipped to Karmann for completion. Still doesn't sound completely right.
Although I also don't want to hijack this thread. Keep those cool vintage photos coming!!! |
Why would those splits be sent to karmann with sedan decklids installed
also seems unlikely they had a dedicated line just for kabrios to be sent to Karmann to be converted to convertible.....two lines for sedans and one line for convertibles ........So I guess for every two sedans made one convertible was made ........So split verts aren;t rare no more |
Maybe it was cheaper/easier than boxing or stacking them for shipping.
Quite an assumption from one photo taken one day.
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vdubinit
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| Splitdog wrote: |
| vdubinit wrote: |
| 79SuperVert wrote: |
Yes, indeed. Very nice. Sadly they do not shed light on the apparent verts in this photo:
So currently the opinion seems to be that VW wouldn't waste time and money assembling a sedan body shell just to have it hacked by Karmann. Instead, that VW created partial vert shells minus roofs, cowls, windshields and various other components, but with fenders attached, to be shipped to Karmann for completion. Still doesn't sound completely right.
Although I also don't want to hijack this thread. Keep those cool vintage photos coming!!! |
Why would those splits be sent to karmann with sedan decklids installed
also seems unlikely they had a dedicated line just for kabrios to be sent to Karmann to be converted to convertible.....two lines for sedans and one line for convertibles ........So I guess for every two sedans made one convertible was made ........So split verts aren;t rare no more |
Maybe it was cheaper/easier than boxing or stacking them for shipping.
Quite an assumption from one photo taken one day. |
That is true, maybe once a week/month they ran the convertible line through the factory? 
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Bruce
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Why would those splits be sent to karmann with sedan decklids installed
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It is possible that Karmann took a standard sedan lid and punched the slots in it.
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vdubinit
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| Bruce wrote: |
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Why would those splits be sent to karmann with sedan decklids installed
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It is possible that Karmann took a standard sedan lid and punched the slots in it. |
maybe
I wish there were more vintage pics 
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coad
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53 0val
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Splitdog wrote: |
| vdubinit wrote: |
| 79SuperVert wrote: |
Yes, indeed. Very nice. Sadly they do not shed light on the apparent verts in this photo:
So currently the opinion seems to be that VW wouldn't waste time and money assembling a sedan body shell just to have it hacked by Karmann. Instead, that VW created partial vert shells minus roofs, cowls, windshields and various other components, but with fenders attached, to be shipped to Karmann for completion. Still doesn't sound completely right.
Although I also don't want to hijack this thread. Keep those cool vintage photos coming!!! |
Why would those splits be sent to karmann with sedan decklids installed
also seems unlikely they had a dedicated line just for kabrios to be sent to Karmann to be converted to convertible.....two lines for sedans and one line for convertibles ........So I guess for every two sedans made one convertible was made ........So split verts aren;t rare no more |
Maybe it was cheaper/easier than boxing or stacking them for shipping.
Quite an assumption from one photo taken one day. |
That is true, maybe once a week/month they ran the convertible line through the factory? |
More likely that they hadn't welded the roof section on yet......
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peter schepens
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: convertible .... |
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I also think that the line with half bodied beetles are made to send to Karmann, Hebmuller, Papler.austro daimler to be converted in a Kabriolett..
Why whould they put a roof( that cost time and money to construct and to be welded) on a car that whould be shortly afterwards to be cut of and trown away... One the roof is chopped it is no longer useble as a spare part as it is cut.
Hebmuller got a contract to build 750 2 seaters. how many 4 seaters type 18 is not known by me but at least a few more than 100.
Karmann got the same contract to start..
So I estimate that at least 1500 bodys were made...without the roof.
To solve the flexing problem they could have worked for sure with a frame to transport the bodys. They only had to use a short number of frames .
Remember that the next to the Hebmuller factory there was a railroad.
To put the bodys in a train directly from the factory assambly line you do not need much handling... Remember the Deutsche Grundlichheit.
I am sure they have figuered out a way to transport them without bending some sills..
Just my thoughts.
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splitjunkie
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| Bruce wrote: |
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Why would those splits be sent to karmann with sedan decklids installed
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It is possible that Karmann took a standard sedan lid and punched the slots in it. |
You have to look at it logically. Why would Karman spend the time and money to make a duplicate die and dedicate a press to stamp their own decklids when the only difference between a sedan and vert lid were the punched in louvers and the rain gutters? Of course they would not. They would only develop the tooling to punch the louvers and to make the rain gutters.
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splitjunkie
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| How about the theory that those are CKD (Kit) cars? |
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More likely that they hadn't welded the roof section on yet...... |
You are overlooking the fact that those shells are missing their quarter windows. The quarter panel is a one piece stamping. There is also an inner stamping but the outer part is one piece.
Also I would assume that the CKD bodies would be just the same as any other body. It would just have the primer coat and no paint. There would be no need for some roofless, quarter windless shells for the CDK kits.
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splitjunkie
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: Re: convertible .... |
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To solve the flexing problem they could have worked for sure with a frame to transport the bodys. They only had to use a short number of frames .
Remember that the next to the Hebmuller factory there was a railroad.
To put the bodys in a train directly from the factory assambly line you do not need much handling... Remember the Deutsche Grundlichheit.
I am sure they have figuered out a way to transport them without bending some sills..
Just my thoughts. |
That is my thinking as well. If you look at the closest "vert" shell you can see what looks like a frame coming out of the bottom.
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johnshenry
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| coad wrote: |
| How about the theory that those are CKD (Kit) cars? |
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More likely that they hadn't welded the roof section on yet...... |
You are overlooking the fact that those shells are missing their quarter windows. The quarter panel is a one piece stamping. There is also an inner stamping but the outer part is one piece.
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Chris, please don't feed the troll.
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