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i_am_cool_fred Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2004 Posts: 1743 Location: Benton, AR
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I think according to Nigel the dog would be better off in the trunk of a car than in the back seat so it doesn't become a missile when you have a wreck. _________________ proud owner of a defunct 1979 sunroof kombi
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mightyart Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2004 Posts: 6188 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Things don't always work in practice as they may seem in theory.
If you're worried about safety don't drive a baywindow, take the big SUV and don't worry about anybody elses safety.
If you want to have some fun take the bay, and the dog.
Oh and roll down the window so the dog can have some fun too. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16886 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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cool dog. looks like your pooch could be related to mine
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manikmike Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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So... has anyone managed to construct or otherwise retrofit head restraints to their folding rear seat, such that they are safe, secure when in place, but removable from the seat allowing it to still fold down? It'll only be a year or two before my wee lad's head is taller than the seat back... _________________ Mike
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chabanais Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2002 Posts: 4866
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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My rear seat has the holes for the factory head rests. Is that what you mean? _________________ "I spud therefore I yam." |
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RatCamper Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2008 Posts: 3305 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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The big problem with the rear seat is that it can unfold.
I don't remember who sells it but someone over here sells the first approved folding hinges. Took them a lot of time and $ to develop and get certified and is unfortunately reflected in the price. I think it was something like $880 for the hinges. Technically it's the only way for a camper to seat people legally in the rear here. I doubt many people actually own these hinges though.
I think the best option would be to use a bench seat from something and build the seat around it. A bench seat with removable headrests that is.
There are doggie seat belt harnesses too sold here. I guess the best form of safety would be to have a non- walkthrough and reinforced mesh barrier so in an accident what's left of you will be hit with more manageable bite sized chunks of dog. _________________ Vehicle: 1975 Special order delivery walkthrough panel based pop-top camper (LCA / Sunliner). Motor: Nippon 1.8L Single port Wasserboxer, Transmission: 3 rib 002. |
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manikmike Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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My rear seat has the holes for the factory head rests. Is that what you mean? |
Hey chabanais - Is your rear seat one that folds into a bed? I've got a Riviera folding seat/bed - crafted diligently without any sort of head support for folks 5' and up...
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Technically it's the only way for a camper to seat people legally in the rear here. |
@RatCamper: Wow - I think that the seat will remain folded up if folks are strapped in (talking peeps not pets!)... you might be right about the struts needing to be more serious tho, but we don't (yet?) have regulations requiring something stridently designed and tested to allow adults in the rear seat. Here in FL we have specific reg's for kids tho. My lad is in the weird range of being too big for a booster in the rear seat, as it leaves him without head support. The 3-point retractable I installed fits just right without the booster, but he won't stay this size for long! _________________ Mike
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RatCamper Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2008 Posts: 3305 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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manikmike wrote: |
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My rear seat has the holes for the factory head rests. Is that what you mean? |
Hey chabanais - Is your rear seat one that folds into a bed? I've got a Riviera folding seat/bed - crafted diligently without any sort of head support for folks 5' and up...
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Technically it's the only way for a camper to seat people legally in the rear here. |
@RatCamper: Wow - I think that the seat will remain folded up if folks are strapped in (talking peeps not pets!)... you might be right about the struts needing to be more serious tho, but we don't (yet?) have regulations requiring something stridently designed and tested to allow adults in the rear seat. Here in FL we have specific reg's for kids tho. My lad is in the weird range of being too big for a booster in the rear seat, as it leaves him without head support. The 3-point retractable I installed fits just right without the booster, but he won't stay this size for long! |
I think the problem is in a frontal impact the seat can kind of escape from its upright position and try to fold out / up essentially trying to propel itself through the occupants of said seat. _________________ Vehicle: 1975 Special order delivery walkthrough panel based pop-top camper (LCA / Sunliner). Motor: Nippon 1.8L Single port Wasserboxer, Transmission: 3 rib 002. |
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manikmike Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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I think the problem is in a frontal impact the seat can kind of escape from its upright position and try to fold out / up essentially trying to propel itself through the occupants of said seat. |
Hmm... So, in that case, the hinges would need to lock in the upright - some pins or straps might be helpful there... hell's bells - another project! _________________ Mike
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chabanais Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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You can use a standard rear bench seat and Z Bed hinges but the head rests need to be removed first obviously. There is a company in CA that makes something similar I saw an ad in Hot VWs I'll see if I can find it and post a link. It was like $600 or something though. ($349)
Found it here (yes it works for Bays):
http://www.delmarretro.com/Home_Page.php
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RatCamper Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2008 Posts: 3305 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:15 am Post subject: |
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manikmike wrote: |
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I think the problem is in a frontal impact the seat can kind of escape from its upright position and try to fold out / up essentially trying to propel itself through the occupants of said seat. |
Hmm... So, in that case, the hinges would need to lock in the upright - some pins or straps might be helpful there... hell's bells - another project! |
There was a thread a while back ...I think it may have been mnskmobi that did something like that. _________________ Vehicle: 1975 Special order delivery walkthrough panel based pop-top camper (LCA / Sunliner). Motor: Nippon 1.8L Single port Wasserboxer, Transmission: 3 rib 002. |
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manikmike Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the input Gents! _________________ Mike
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WestyPop Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2005 Posts: 1732 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:50 am Post subject: |
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And then, in spite of well-engineered equipment, some folks just go their own separate way...
http://www.motivateusnot.com/resize.php?name=LzM3O...nsion=.jpg _________________ Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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panel Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2001 Posts: 1091 Location: Victoria B.C. Canada
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone have some pics of what the mounting looks like when looking through the rear seat? I'd like to see what the belts attach to in this area.(not my bus). I need to add a baby seat to the back and need to add a lap belt in the middle or to one side.
_________________ My '65-Subaru EJ20 Turbo conversion |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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even with a Z-bed or delmar retro bed the seat belts still attach here
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panel Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2001 Posts: 1091 Location: Victoria B.C. Canada
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:14 am Post subject: Rear bench-seat head restraints |
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I was interested to note a recent topic thread, on the Late Bay forum, which perports to show the campervan furniture & equipment, of what the owner describes, as a 1978 VW Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan. Whether it truly is a Westfalia Continental, is somewhat academic; the main point of interest being, that the rear rock & roll bench seat, is fitted with three head restraints
The Late Bay » Mech, Tech & Products » Camper Interiors & Conversions » Westfalia 1978 Continental
http://thelatebay.com/index.php?topic=350.0 _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7925 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Rear bench-seat head restraints |
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NASkeet wrote: |
...the main point of interest being, that the rear rock & roll bench seat, is fitted with three head restraints
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Those headrests look exactly like T3/T25 (Vanagon) headrests:
The van guys retrofit headrests into the rear seat of models that came without 'em: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=303299 (you guys could probably use the same procedure/parts); so I'd presume that Bus went through a retrofit, or the seat itself is out of a T3. _________________ ~Kamz
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1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: Rear Seat Belts |
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Rearmost seat belts, with raised shoulder-strap mountings
_________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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chrisradioman Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2007 Posts: 4873 Location: Swansea (Sunny Penllergaer) Wales UK
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