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aerosurfer
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 Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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You are fine, if not overthinking it a bit.
As long as you have proper rated hose it will work anywhere in the system a metal pipe was. The clip on the underside of the bus the metal pipe was in is different than the one used for rubber line in that spot, but nothing a zip tie can't fix to support to help support that long piece.
Also make sure you are using a proper FI filter, which you will need that small section of larger diameter hose between the filter and pump
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BayCreamPuff
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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I use a rubber fuel line in place of the metal return line and it works fine. The length of the feed line feels a little long for a rubber hose in my opinion.
The metal line should be easy enough to replace. Summit Racing caries a wide variety of fuel rates stainless steel lines. It's a low pressure area so no need to add any flares to the ends. The original has a single 45 degree bend at the tank end if I remember correctly. You may be able to get away with a longer length of rubber hose on that side if you want to avoid bending it.
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mainstreetprod
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| aerosurfer wrote: |
You are fine, if not overthinking it a bit.
As long as you have proper rated hose it will work anywhere in the system a metal pipe was. The clip on the underside of the bus the metal pipe was in is different than the one used for rubber line in that spot, but nothing a zip tie can't fix to support to help support that long piece.
Also make sure you are using a proper FI filter, which you will need that small section of larger diameter hose between the filter and pump |
I'm in the process of replacing all lines. My steel lines are all good, so I'm re using them. Just purchased a fuel filter yesterday and made sure to get a metal rather than plastic one, but was not aware of FI specific filters. What are the issues with using a conventional filter? Seems to me if it doesn't restrict fuel flow and pressure is good it will be fine. I'm putting it before the pump. |
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| aerosurfer wrote: |
You are fine, if not overthinking it a bit.
As long as you have proper rated hose it will work anywhere in the system a metal pipe was. The clip on the underside of the bus the metal pipe was in is different than the one used for rubber line in that spot, but nothing a zip tie can't fix to support to help support that long piece.
Also make sure you are using a proper FI filter, which you will need that small section of larger diameter hose between the filter and pump |
I'm in the process of replacing all lines. My steel lines are all good, so I'm re using them. Just purchased a fuel filter yesterday and made sure to get a metal rather than plastic one, but was not aware of FI specific filters. What are the issues with using a conventional filter? Seems to me if it doesn't restrict fuel flow and pressure is good it will be fine. I'm putting it before the pump. |
The problem with a carb style filter is surface area, FI constantly circulates the fuel from the tank, many gallons per minute, carb systems only flow a few ounces in the same time. It may work OK when new, but once it starts catching debris it may slow the flow enough to cause pump overheating or cavitation.
Go with the square plastic VW filter, they have been proven to work well in millions of vehicles over many years, and they already have the correctly sized fittings to connect to the tank outlet and pump.
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cv66seabear
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Pretty cool fire suppression here:
https://youtu.be/Kswau1mGBE8
It's called BlazeCut. Just zip tie it onto the top of the engine bay and when the plastic hits temperature it melts and the suppressant is sprayed under pressure extinguishing the fire.
Seems to work quite well.
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mainstreetprod
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| Maybe that these cars are more prone to burning is also partly simply because of the sheer amount of tinkering (both unskilled and not) that has gotten done on them over their 30+ years on the road. I don't think Datsun Sunnys or Ford Broncos of similar vintages get half the mucking around that our busses have gotten over the years by all their (often teenage or at least very young) POs. Just a thought! |
You nailed it! I just went through the fuel line replacement process, and am 100% sure most of the lines I was replacing were original. In my case, that means they lasted 37 years without failing! The ones that had been replaced were generic (non FI) fuel line. If owners and mechanics used the proper FI lines and clamps, replaced them at 10 year intervals and made sure they couldn't rub on tin, I think 99% of these fires would be eliminated. In my case I eliminated my cold start valve as another possible source because I will seldom drive in cold weather. As a final measure I added a Blazecut. |
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Randy in Maine
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| Just so you will know...the cold start valve does not care if it is winter or summer. It is looking for when the engine is cold (via the thermotime switch), not the weather. |
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popuppopdog
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:37 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Just an FYI if your fuel consumption increases beware. Don't just start putting in more fuel without checking the entire fuel system. 13 years ago I ran out of gas after filling up in Fresno and ran out in Bakersfield , 110 miles, I was 10 miles outside of Bakersfield. All I had was a gallon of Coleman fuel, what do you know it got me there, thanks Coleman and VW. Oh by the way 10 pm at night with 3 small kids and two puppies on our way to Mexico, the guns at the border I will tell about later. 13 years later I have finally started to rebuild my girl and found this....hmmm... thinking I was leaking gas all over town. I am probably changing most of the fuel lines to Kunifer 10, copper nickel alloy used for both brake and fuel, etc etc. another post.
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John Ghia
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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KentABQ 
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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As a by-stander, that hurts to see it. I can only imagine the pain the owner is feeling while seeing the destruction. My heart goes out to him/her.
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TomWesty
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Man that’s sad....
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aerosurfer
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Bummer indeed....
Any location info or other details about it? Yours?
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GEEBEE
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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I will be mfg flurosilicone 7 mm and I will include correct lined clamps
There will be black fire sleeve to slide on and two pieces of heat shrink to secure the sleeve in placeand keeps the sleeve from wicking.
The fire sleeve is aerospace spec
2500 burn test for 15 minutes
I will include his with the engine breather kit
The engine breather hoses are now flurosilicone ( fuel and oil resistant )
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dstimm
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| GEEBEE wrote: |
I will be mfg flurosilicone 7 mm and I will include correct lined clamps
There will be black fire sleeve to slide on and two pieces of heat shrink to secure the sleeve in placeand keeps the sleeve from wicking.
The fire sleeve is aerospace spec
2500 burn test for 15 minutes
I will include his with the engine breather kit
The engine breather hoses are now flurosilicone ( fuel and oil resistant )
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I am very excited for mine to come!
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KentABQ
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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I got to see GEEBEE's shop when I picked up my new S-boot. It's a great facility, and Guy is either a genius or very close to it, because I didn't understand about half of what he talked about. And I worked in aircraft maintenance for 15 years. I even knew what a Geebee was, and saw one fly once at a Yakima air show.
If GEEBEE goes into making 7mm fuel hoses, they are bound to be good.
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SGKent
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| KentPS wrote: |
I got to see GEEBEE's shop when I picked up my new S-boot. It's a great facility, and Guy is either a genius or very close to it, because I didn't understand about half of what he talked about. And I worked in aircraft maintenance for 15 years. I even knew what a Geebee was, and saw one fly once at a Yakima air show.
If GEEBEE goes into making 7mm fuel hoses, they are bound to be good. |
Does GEEBEE own and/or fly a GEEBEE? As I recall they were the speed racers of the mid-1930's. I've wondered about this because of his business name for sometime.
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Xevin
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Yes Steve. He does.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=87156
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ivwshane
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| GEEBEE wrote: |
I will be mfg flurosilicone 7 mm and I will include correct lined clamps
There will be black fire sleeve to slide on and two pieces of heat shrink to secure the sleeve in placeand keeps the sleeve from wicking.
The fire sleeve is aerospace spec
2500 burn test for 15 minutes
I will include his with the engine breather kit
The engine breather hoses are now flurosilicone ( fuel and oil resistant )
Gee-Bee Racing
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For those who have purchased all your bus products so far, like me, will they be able to purchase your new stuff only?
For those that aren't aware, gee-bee makes quality stuff! If you care more about quality and longevity over originality, there isn't anything out there that is better, imo.
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TomWesty
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Nah, I saw a Beechcraft not a GeeBee.
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GEEBEE
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:35 pm Post subject: 7mm fUEL LINE |
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If you want a special shape, I will mfg a steel mandrell and pre-shape it ?
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please advise me the length you want and I will send that ..
i WILL INCLUDE FIRESLEEVE AND IT WILL BE MATTE BLACK FABRIC FINISH.
[email protected]
I mfg all the vanagon and Sl300 Gull wing hoses and seals
GB
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