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Wildthings
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 Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! |
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I'm horrified by that video. And to think I just spent days replacing every fuel line, vacuum line and a completely new FI harness with a fuse circuit and I'm STILL not satisfied.
Someone needs to find that poor bus and steal it NOW! |
They need to tow it if they are going to steal it. It would be suicidal to just drive off with it.  |
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curtp07
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! |
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Tow..good point! Can't believe they drove the thing....overheated...yea.
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Sodo
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Sadness on the roadside last nite. Drove by it this morning east of Cle Elum, WA.
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notchboy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Bummer - wonder who it was - Its not yours is it? You're a Vanagon guy?
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Sodo
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Nope, just drove by it, moment of silence, took pics.
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timvw7476
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| Let's hope they got out with their wetsuits unburned. |
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notchboy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| Let's hope they got out with their wetsuits unburned. |
Is there a sweet surf spot in Cle Elum Im unaware of 
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chabanais
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| timvw7476 wrote: |
| Let's hope they got out with their wetsuits unburned. |
This is sad any way you slice it.
Thanks for posting the photos as a reminder.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Man, sure a lot of type 4 powered buses going up in flames. Simply scary stuff. Super bummer this happened. I may have to crack my wallet for a blaze cut on my type 1 just because...
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Wow, the whole fan housing disappeared.. those are Magnesium, right?
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dabble
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Bummer. Looks like they didn't have a fire extinguisher to stop it from taking the whole bus down. 
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| Bailing wire and plumber's tape. Just the things I always look for when looking to find a well maintained ACVW. |
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timvw7476
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Around Washington, you get several years from fuel lines till they become
bonafide fire hazards.
It's rather amusing, (until it's not) - fuel reformulations seem to be the one
thing that can kill these beasts.
My wetsuit comment was tribute to the Bus Bears, maybe they can re-make
that sequence to include swapping your fuel lines every 3-7 years, or risk bursting into flames at any moment. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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I purchased fuel lines from Bus Depot, this stuff: https://www.busdepot.com/N0202811
Can I use this to replace the metal line beneath my bus / outside of the engine compartment.
I'm specifically speaking of the long piece of metal tubing that more or less runs from the tank to the filter & fuel pump. Mine is quite rusty. Any problem with using that hose / fuel line from Bus Depot under there as well? |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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I purchased fuel lines from Bus Depot, this stuff: https://www.busdepot.com/N0202811
Can I use this to replace the metal line beneath my bus / outside of the engine compartment.
I'm specifically speaking of the long piece of metal tubing that more or less runs from the tank to the filter & fuel pump. Mine is quite rusty. Any problem with using that hose / fuel line from Bus Depot under there as well? |
You talking of the evaporative line/s?
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| clicknathan wrote: |
I purchased fuel lines from Bus Depot, this stuff: https://www.busdepot.com/N0202811
Can I use this to replace the metal line beneath my bus / outside of the engine compartment.
I'm specifically speaking of the long piece of metal tubing that more or less runs from the tank to the filter & fuel pump. Mine is quite rusty. Any problem with using that hose / fuel line from Bus Depot under there as well? |
You talking of the evaporative line/s? |
I think he means the suction line from the tank to the FI filter, then the pressurized line from the pump to the firewall/bulkhead passthrough. I've seen some VW assemblies that used metal hose there, and some where the owner used all rubber.
If the line is pressure and ethanol rated, (Gates Barricade is 225psi rated,) the metal fittings are flared & clamped, and the rubber hose is insulated from chafing and absolutely not allowed to rub on anything sharp (like a tin passthrough without a grommet) I suppose you could use it. But I don't know about the quality of the line.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| udidwht wrote: |
| clicknathan wrote: |
I purchased fuel lines from Bus Depot, this stuff: https://www.busdepot.com/N0202811
Can I use this to replace the metal line beneath my bus / outside of the engine compartment.
I'm specifically speaking of the long piece of metal tubing that more or less runs from the tank to the filter & fuel pump. Mine is quite rusty. Any problem with using that hose / fuel line from Bus Depot under there as well? |
You talking of the evaporative line/s? |
I think he means the suction line from the tank to the FI filter, then the pressurized line from the pump to the firewall/bulkhead passthrough. I've seen some VW assemblies that used metal hose there, and some where the owner used all rubber.
If the line is pressure and ethanol rated, (Gates Barricade is 225psi rated,) the metal fittings are flared & clamped, and the rubber hose is insulated from chafing and absolutely not allowed to rub on anything sharp (like a tin passthrough without a grommet) I suppose you could use it. But I don't know about the quality of the line.
Robbie |
A great mod for the firewall is to use lamp hardware (brass) an create a pass thru in the firewall for the hose to pass thru.
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clicknathan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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I think he means the suction line from the tank to the FI filter, then the pressurized line from the pump to the firewall/bulkhead passthrough. I've seen some VW assemblies that used metal hose there, and some where the owner used all rubber.
If the line is pressure and ethanol rated, (Gates Barricade is 225psi rated,) the metal fittings are flared & clamped, and the rubber hose is insulated from chafing and absolutely not allowed to rub on anything sharp (like a tin passthrough without a grommet) I suppose you could use it. But I don't know about the quality of the line. |
Thank you. My set up is:
1. Tank has metal "hose" coming out
2. Rubber hosing goes from that to this piece of metal tubing, which more or less goes straight to the fuel filter, which is located near my rear driver's side wheel (I've heard reports this is sometimes up near the front in other models)
3. From the piece of metal tubing then rubber continues the rest of the way, to the filter, filter to pump, pump through firewall to another metal tube inside, to more rubber.
I've also got a bunch of protective plastic sleeve for where it goes through the firewall and other areas it might rub.
Normally VWs have rubber fuel lines the whole way? |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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| asiab3 wrote: |
I think he means the suction line from the tank to the FI filter, then the pressurized line from the pump to the firewall/bulkhead passthrough. I've seen some VW assemblies that used metal hose there, and some where the owner used all rubber.
If the line is pressure and ethanol rated, (Gates Barricade is 225psi rated,) the metal fittings are flared & clamped, and the rubber hose is insulated from chafing and absolutely not allowed to rub on anything sharp (like a tin passthrough without a grommet) I suppose you could use it. But I don't know about the quality of the line. |
Thank you. My set up is:
1. Tank has metal "hose" coming out
2. Rubber hosing goes from that to this piece of metal tubing, which more or less goes straight to the fuel filter, which is located near my rear driver's side wheel (I've heard reports this is sometimes up near the front in other models)
3. From the piece of metal tubing then rubber continues the rest of the way, to the filter, filter to pump, pump through firewall to another metal tube inside, to more rubber.
I've also got a bunch of protective plastic sleeve for where it goes through the firewall and other areas it might rub.
Normally VWs have rubber fuel lines the whole way? |
All your questions with schematics can be found here:
http://ratwell.com/technical/FuelHoses.html
Click on the different years just below the top section for the differences in fuel hose schematics
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clicknathan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Up in smoke... Bus fires... don't let it happen to you! FAQ |
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Click on the different years just below the top section for the differences in fuel hose schematics
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I had seen that, but was curious as it doesn't show several things, such as the cold start valve, Aux Air Regulator, ... That Ratwell page is quite useful, though.
More than that, though, it doesn't mention if the metal pipe / tubing is okay to replace with rubber.
I have everything to replace basically the entire FI system short of the injectors themselves & the cold start valve, and given the corrosion / rust on my "tank line" as the Ratwell site calls it, I thought replacing it might be the way to go while I'm already getting gas inevitably in my eyeballs anyway. |
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