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HerNameIsRita Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2015 Posts: 106 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:12 pm Post subject: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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I went out and bought a multimeter to test for voltage drop on my headlights, only to realize I don't even know what I'm doing.
Checking the battery was pretty easy. I set the meter to 20 and the battery read 12.34v But how do I go from the battery to the headlights? The longest lead extension I could find is 10ft which isn't long enough. Should I buy basic 12v wire and some alligator clamps to extend the length? And what should the multimeter read once I connect the red lead from the battery to the connector?
Thank you VW community for your help!!! |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16859 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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read this
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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If you are trying to determine the Voltage drop across the light. Measure it at the light.
Replace 'switch' with 'light'
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rockerarm Samba Member
Joined: December 16, 2009 Posts: 3552 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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Hi. The voltage drop is the easiest test to perform and is the gold standard in automotive diagnostic's, in this area.
You will need a DVOM, which it seems you have and a long enough lead, with basic alligator clips, to go from the battery up past the front bumper a bit.
For your headlight circuit you will be performing 6 basic tests. 4 tests for the positive circuits and 2 tests for the negative circuits.
The 6 tests are performed with the headlights on, possibly with engine idling, if you wish.
Remove the headlight trim rings and remove the headlights to access the electrical plug in its rear.
You will connect your long test lead to the battery positive for the first 4 tests.
The DVOM, on its DC voltage selection, at a voltage scale above battery voltage, is good. attach the DVOM positive to your test lead.
Test 1- Attach the negative wire from DVOM to the back of the left headlight low beam terminal, yellow wire, and read/document the DVOM reading.
Test2- Attach the negative wire from the DVOM to the back of the right headlight low beam terminal, yellow wire, and read/document the DVOM reading.
Switch headlights to high beams.
Test 3- Attach the negative wire from the DVOM to the back of the right headlight high beam terminal, white wire, and read/document the DVOM reading.
Test 4- Attach the negative wire from the DVOM to the back of the left high beam terminal, white wire, and read/document the DVOM reading.
Now attach the wire from the battery positive terminal from the positive to the negative terminal.
Test 5- Attach the negative wire from the DVOM to the back of the left headlight ground terminal, brown wire, and read/document the reading.
Test6- Attach the negative wire from the DVOM to the back of the right headlight ground terminal, brown wire, and read/document the reading.
Turn off engine/lights, etc and turn off DVOM.
You should now have 6 voltage readings. Obviously, the lower the better. I have seen 2v plus on this test the owner was concerned his H4 headlights weren't bright.
Hope this helps, Bill. |
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sestino Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2007 Posts: 70 Location: University Park, Maryland
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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Here is how I measured the volts at the headlamp socket with the motor off:
And with the motor on:
These voltages are when I am using a plug and play headlight relay loom that I purchased off of Ebay. The voltage increased by about 1 volt as compared to the voltage through the original sockets. The power from the new loom is from an auxiliary fuse box that is fed from the Starter post with 10 gauge wire.
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3551 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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HerNameIsRita wrote: |
I went out and bought a multimeter to test for voltage drop on my headlights, only to realize I don't even know what I'm doing.
Checking the battery was pretty easy. I set the meter to 20 and the battery read 12.34v But how do I go from the battery to the headlights? The longest lead extension I could find is 10ft which isn't long enough. Should I buy basic 12v wire and some alligator clamps to extend the length? And what should the multimeter read once I connect the red lead from the battery to the connector? |
Most DVM's use 'banana plugs' to connect test leads to the meter. These are commonly available from electronic supply houses, Fry's and Radio Shack (if you still have one), in various colors (black and red being the most common). I've made up all kinds of test leads using banana plugs for the meter end and various connectors (alligator clips, 1/4" spade terminals, battery clips, cigarette lighter plugs, etc. - in short, any type of connector that may be useful), in whatever wire length needed. If you're really into it, you can buy real test lead wire. It's super flexible and durable. After a while, you get a wall rack / tool box full of these.
The appropriate test lead makes a test job SO MUCH EASIER... _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
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In theory, theory works in practice; in practice, it doesn't - William T. Harbaugh
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. The pain is only felt by others.
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HerNameIsRita Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2015 Posts: 106 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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sestino wrote: |
Here is how I measured the volts at the headlamp socket with the motor off:
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Wow, that's pretty easy. I don't know why I couldn't find any info on that.
Thanks for the link! |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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Just to clarify.
Voltage drop and No Load Voltage readings. Are two different measurements.
Voltage drop would be like the energy that the light is burning.
No load Voltage is performing no work so other than the resistance in the wire, you should see close to battery voltage.
Make sense?
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rockerarm Samba Member
Joined: December 16, 2009 Posts: 3552 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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sestino wrote: |
Here is how I measured the volts at the headlamp socket with the motor off:
And with the motor on:
These voltages are when I am using a plug and play headlight relay loom that I purchased off of Ebay. The voltage increased by about 1 volt as compared to the voltage through the original sockets. The power from the new loom is from an auxiliary fuse box that is fed from the Starter post with 10 gauge wire.
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With your method, if both the positive wire AND the ground wire both had only one strand of wire you would still see the same voltage readings.
This is why the voltage drop/loss test needs to be performed, under a load, such as with the lights hooked up and operating.
Once you have performed the test and written down the 6 voltage readings can you, or we, address the concern.
Hope this helps, Bill. |
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3551 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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Expanded explanation: the input impedance of a meter (what the outside world sees when you connect a meter to something) is somewhere around 10 megohms (10,000,000 ohms). Thus, any typical resistance you might put in series with the meter (e.g. poor probe contact, upstream switch resistance, poor fuse contact, etc.) is generally insignificant.
For example, suppose you have 1,000 ohms in series with the meter probe. This will form a voltage divider with the meter input impedance:
Vmeter = Vsource x (10,000,000 / (1,000 + 10,000,000))
Vmeter = Vsouece x (10,000,000 / 10,001,000)
Vmeter = Vsource x 0.99990
Thus, your reading will be low by 0.01%
In short, the meter presents no load to the system being measured. In the example above, without the bulb in place, you should read the same voltage as at the switch. With the bulb in place, your measurement will include all switch, relay, and wiring losses. _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
'Experience' is the ability to recognize a mistake when you're making it again - Franklin P. Jones
In theory, theory works in practice; in practice, it doesn't - William T. Harbaugh
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. The pain is only felt by others.
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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rockerarm - resistance won't show up in any meaningful way with that meter at no load. Measure the voltage with the bulbs plugged in. That will tell you what the resistance is between the battery -> ignition switch -> headlight switch -> the headlights -> and back to ground then to the battery again.
It is well worth your while to ask Telford lots of questions if you would like to learn about using your meter. There are very few mechanics who know how to use one to locate problems. Every year we have many people here whose solution to electrical issues might be asking about replacing a wiring harness, when in fact their multi-meter might reveal that only one connection is corroded. |
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rockerarm Samba Member
Joined: December 16, 2009 Posts: 3552 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Using a multimeter on headlights. |
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Steve, Hi. What meter? That's not my meter. I have spent time here explaining the voltage drop/loss test by using the easily available DVOM's. It was I that explained the 6 separate tests needed to determine if a voltage drop/loss exists in the OP's initial question,. I fully recognize and stated the tests needed to be performed with the lights on, or with any circuit the component being tested needed to be on. The DVOM is in parallel on the light circuit.
It's kinda like going to the doctor and stating "I'm outa breath, cant walk up stairs", etc. He does the basics, such as blood pressure and listening to ones chest, but makes a referral for a treadmill test with all the wires hooked up. The system will now test the patient under a load, or while operating, to diagnose the concern.
The voltage checks at the headlight plug is a failed method! The only value for that is if one headlight was not lit.
Maybe I'm not explaining myself correctly and/or in an understanding method. Please respond.
Hope this helps, Bill. |
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