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dkoesyncro
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 Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:03 pm Post subject: Engine conv. management: factory wiring or standalone? |
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I'm currently using obd1 and am quickly wishing I had more offering from my engine conversion.
Even just to be able to have a scan gauge to monitor things would be nice. How ever being able to set maps and watch every thing in real time would be awesome.
Is anyone using standalone management? |
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insyncro
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: factory wiring or standalone? |
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Yes, I have multiple engines running on aftermarket management.
Each needs a custom wiring harness and the management I prefer cost $2500 + connectors + building the harness.
Very expensive for most...but I can also monitor completely from a Bluetooth connection and app, on my laptop, BlackBerry phone and tablet. |
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hdenter
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: factory wiring or standalone? |
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Hey Insyncro, any chance you could profile one of you stand alone setups or point me(us) towards a thread where you have done this?
Thanks,
Hans
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dkoesyncro
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: factory wiring or standalone? |
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| I would probably go with MS if I were to use standalone. The lure of real time monitoring and tuning is very inviting. At the very least I will take the time to retro fit obd2 and can the obd1. |
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insyncro
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: factory wiring or standalone? |
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| hdenter wrote: |
Hey Insyncro, any chance you could profile one of you stand alone setups or point me(us) towards a thread where you have done this?
Thanks,
Hans |
Nope, no thread.
My choice is LINK.
They can control variable valve timing of the year engines I have used.
Now with CAN, some different systems are available, but way more bypassing must be done....and by someone with experience.
One glitch and everything will shut down.
A few have gone down this road and if you contact the major Subaru conversion vendors, I'm sure they will take your money for parts.
If you want support, I recommend only dealing with the management manufacturers directly.
Bostig is the only Vanagon conversion vendor that will provide, support and update the map for the engine that the kit was designed for.
Do your homework very carefully as you can spend a lot of money for parts and to get a reliable running engine, a few hours of dyno time may be needed, 1, 2 or 3 times to get it right.
Dyno time costs money, big money if the tuner is being paid as well. |
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Nimbus'87
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:47 am Post subject: Re: Engine conv. management: factory wiring or standalone? |
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If your working with a Subie... obd1
You could try the Evoscan and/or B10 tools.
You'll need an older laptop if I remember.
http://www.4bc.org/vanagon/engine.html
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Pcforno
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Engine conv. management: factory wiring or standalone? |
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| Agree with Dylan. It's a lot of wiring to get standalones running properly and then quite a bit of messing with a laptop. Mostly only worth it if you are doing something the stock ecu can't handle like forced induction |
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insyncro
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Engine conv. management: factory wiring or standalone? |
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OBDI will need older software and older computer.
Windows 95 runs the older programming much better and offers direct connections like a PCMCIA slot directly to the motherboard.
You can just monitor much easier, but that will not allow any tuning. |
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dkoesyncro
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Engine conv. management: factory wiring or standalone? |
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| This is a single cam 8 valve boosted application. I am using an aftermarket eprom, however these are made as a one size fits all. |
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geodude
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Engine conv. management: factory wiring or standalone? |
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I thought Evoscan could scan the OBDI Subarus and use modern computers?
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