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Randy in Maine
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject: Electrical Connectors Reply with quote

The last time I removed my dash, I decided that I really need to come up with a much neater and better organized wiring set up back there.

What are the best and most secure connectors that I can use? Marine or aviation or just what? A link to someplace would be nice.

I have a gob of crimp on connectors in my parts bins, but they really just don't hold up all that well IMO. They seem to all get loose and just look kind of cheesey.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you looking for factory style, non-insulated terminal ends like this?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have those already.

Can you suggest something better?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

never needed anything better than that, so no, i can't help you there.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Randy, you can find just the metal sleeve for a butt connection and use shrink wrap makes a smaller clean connection. I'll pull off the red and blue eye sores on spay and eyelet connectors and also use the wrap. Also if you slide the spay connector on anything existing on your bus. Clean and use some type of anti-corrosion ointment. Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had no trouble with crimp ons but I tin, solder, crimp & shrink.
Crimp ons with the plastic sleeve suck. I remove them.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i use metal crimp ons and solder. not the cheap ones with the plastic red/blue/yellow sleeves, but plain old metal ones that real electronics stores sell. always solder the connections though.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone ever used one of the cold heat soldering guns. I was thinking of getting on for when I do my wiring but want to know if they work or not.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gmag69 wrote:
Has anyone ever used one of the cold heat soldering guns. I was thinking of getting on for when I do my wiring but want to know if they work or not.


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I bought one of those from the "As Seen On TV" store. The tip is actually a double tip insulated in the middle, and works along the lines of an arc welder. When it makes contact with the solder, the current passes thru' it and heats it up. I haven't been able to master it yet,and it tends to darken (burn?) the solder. Peace!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The secret to crimp ons, other than soldering, is to use the correct tool to crimp them. Forget about the ones that just crush them..... vise grips work just as poorly. You want a tool that has a dull point that sits in a U.

The middle section of this tool:
http://www.doityourself.com/invt/u262995
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karl wrote:
The secret to crimp ons, other than soldering, is to use the correct tool to crimp them. Forget about the ones that just crush them..... vise grips work just as poorly. You want a tool that has a dull point that sits in a U.

The middle section of this tool:
http://www.doityourself.com/invt/u262995


i use this tool for non-insulated terminals (about the only type i use). it crimps both parts at once--the part that crimps around the exposed metal strands and the part that crimps the wire covering.
you can also get different jaws for it to crimp other types of connectors.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hazetguy wrote:
never needed anything better than that,


what he said. factory style open barrell, f-type connectors are where its at. (just need the correct crimping tool shown above from del city, german supply, etc.)

If you've been using the Pep Boys type red/blue jobbies with a standard Pep Boys type crimping tool and move to "the real deal" the difference is night and day.

If you're already using factory style open barrell than I can't think of a better option either. Though on some exposed connections (starter for example) I've taken off the soft plastic jackets that come with some of the connectors at your FLAPS (and cover teh whole terminal) and used them in conjunction with the factory style open barrell connectors. to create what is in the bottom right of hazetguy's picture.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This style works fine for the most common terminals... better than the cheezy ones they sell with the "kits"

http://www.mytoolstore.com/klein/1005.html


this style sucks for crimping connectors... but has other uses.

http://www.specialized.net/ecommerce/shop/layout.a...-Tool-1000
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the Klein crimper. I have used the crimper that has the stripper in the handle and they have pulled apart. The Klein tool is not cheap.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to be a "only solder" guy but I am now sold on using a proper crimper with crimp-on connections. Soldering in tight areas and with smaller, older wire can be troublesome.

So I'd say get a good crimper and use the proper sized crimp-on connectors.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like the Klein crimper. I have used the crimper that has the stripper in the handle and they have pulled apart. The Klein tool is not cheap.


For what ever reason I have three pair... and I found them all in the middle of the feeder or beside the freeway by chance and managed to stop and grab them without becoming another hit and run victim in this town!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.germansupply.com/xcart/customer/home.php?cat=390

i am going to build a kit with some of the most needed terminals and the crimping tool, but for the time being we have a pretty good selection of terminals for aircooled VW's. where we need more selection at the moment is with terminals that work with the small wire gauges, some of the .25 termials are not ideally sized for small gauges (.5mm).

i agree that there really isn't anything better than the original style terminals. every single vehicle that gets worked on here leaves with about a dozen or more of these terminals crimped into the original wiring. sometimes you need to splice wires as well and that's where to solder and shrink wrap comes in handy. but if you just need new termination on the wires, use the original stuff and it will work perfectly for another 20 years.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used the small ones off the instrument cluster in my parts bus. Wires and all.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Total thread resurrection, but here goes.

Anyone know of a decent supplier of the factory open barrel connectors (shown below) in bulk at a decent price? Everywhere seems to sell them in packs of like 4, and the ones I've been getting lately from my FLAPS are really thin and don't hold the connection to the male end very well.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Del's Vintage Connections.

http://www.vintageconnections.com/
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