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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the Febi seems to be identical to the "Un-named" brand that "importecparts.com" is selling for under $10, but without the Febi logo on it...now where the logo was or should be, it looks like someone removed the name and left a "smudged" mark instead...


Quick, buy one and report back. The pics at importedcarparts have been wrong before. At Autohausaz.com they say that it's Meyle, but picture the Febi style. Confused If Importedcarparts has the right ones, then that's a great deal.

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I can't speak on behalf of the "bushings'" at Importec..but I have purchased many times over the years for several vehicles in the family without disappointment when choosing products that they supply with pictures
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They say that curiosity killed the cat, but I just couldn't stand it. I had to find out what was inside the Febi bushings...so I cut one of my new ones apart to find out.

No real surprises but I do think that the Febi's might last longer as they do in fact have a lip seal molded into the rubber to help keep the crap out and grease in. The lip on the narrow side is really hard to see in the pictures, but it's there. They also have a waffle like pattern to retain the grease. Overall, the Febi's do look like a better engineered product. If anybody wants to send me one of the cheap Importecparts.com bushings, I would be happy to cut that apart too.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we figure out a way to make these serviceable?

What I mean is a mod that would allow us to grease these things?

Meaning adding a zerk fitting?

Or ??????
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris, you're a nut. Laughing

In a good way. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys, an update on these. I ordered four from RoackAuto's website over the weekend, and their online inventory said they were in stock. Got a call from someone there today, it turns out they only have 3, and have no prospect of being restocked.

That's it.

Fat lady singing.

I took the last three, and will have to settle for a lesser bushing for my fourth.

Unless anyone wants to share. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your fourth bushing is that one loogy just cut apart.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your fourth bushing is that one loogy just cut apart.


Ha!! Don't think that didn't cross my mind!!

(shaking fist) Damn you Loogy, damn you!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He might be cursing you, since I think he cut one of four he had. If that's true, now you're both stuck with three.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed the same thing. I went to rockauto.com to buy four of them last week and forgot my credit card. Went back to order them yesterday and they were no longer pictured on the website! Anyone have any others leads on where to pick up some Febis?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tencentlife wrote:
Your fourth bushing is that one loogy just cut apart.


I know, I feel like such a heel! But I'm no dummy, I ordered my replacement (and confirmed it was in stock) before I cut it apart. So in reality, I actually bought Hiram's fourth bushing. Sorry Hiram!

To be honest, I don't even all of the Febi bushings installed yet so all of my hype might go down in a ball of flames if they don't work out like I hope. Looking at their design, I can't see them being any worse than the Meyle's though.

I've been playing around with one of my old bushings trying to add grease fitting to it. Adding the grease fitting isn't really the problem. The problem is getting the grease to go where you want it to go. The bushings have no natural path to allow the grease to travel between the rubber and the inner sleeve. As a result, it takes the path of least resistance which happens to be between the plastic sleeve and outer metal sleeve. I'll keep thinking about it, but so far, I have come up short on a way to practiclly service the bushings.

I was thinking that what guy could maybe do on a new set of Meyle bushings would be to clean as much of the external grease off of the bushing and then seal up both ends with a small amount of silicone (or similar) to help keep the crap out and the grease in.

Another idea would be to take a new bushing and cut the end off just like I did in the picture. Then a guy could machine a new washer that would take the place of the removed peice and act like a cap but would be installed sort of like a washer under the long bolt on one end and the nut on the other. This would allow a guy to remove the cap of each bushing which would allow the inards to be removed and greased. I know it sounds like a lot of work to have to remove the whole upper control arm just to grease the bushings, but to be honest, as long as nothing is rusted together, removing the upper control arm only takes about 10 minutes including jacking up the van and taking off the wheels.

What do you think? If I made some of these washer/caps, would anybody buy them?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey guys, an update on these. I ordered four from RoackAuto's website over the weekend, and their online inventory said they were in stock. Got a call from someone there today, it turns out they only have 3, and have no prospect of being restocked.


I just ordered up four Febi bushings at 9:35 am (CST) 1-15-08. They had to ship out of two locations, doubling the shipping cost, but they appear to have a few more on hand.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update!

1:30 CST Just got a call from rockauto.com. They only have one bushing in stock.

Hiram6 - call them quick! 608-661-1376

Had to cancel my order. I turned down the Dana-Spicer substitute they offered for only $64.99! Looks just like a Meyle in the picture on their site.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No good. Just spoke with them. The "one left on the shelf" doesn't exist. Their online inventory seems to be somewhat of an approximation.

Oh well, I'll keep looking.

Thanks for looking out for me, though!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew A. Libby wrote:
Petervw wrote:
the Febi seems to be identical to the "Un-named" brand that "importecparts.com" is selling for under $10, but without the Febi logo on it...now where the logo was or should be, it looks like someone removed the name and left a "smudged" mark instead...


Quick, buy one and report back. The pics at importedcarparts have been wrong before. At Autohausaz.com they say that it's Meyle, but picture the Febi style. Confused If Importedcarparts has the right ones, then that's a great deal.

Andrew


I bought the unamed brand for $10.00 bucks each. This is what they look like:

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The package says FEQ (First Equipment Quality), made in CHINA. I will install them and report back.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! From the outside, those are an exact copy of the Febi's. Did you get them from Importecparts?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loogy wrote:
Wow! From the outside, those are an exact copy of the Febi's. Did you get them from Importecparts?


Yip.

Placed the order Saturday evening and they arrived today.

I also picked up there lower contral arm bushings.
http://www.importcarparts.com/
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

loogy wrote:
Wow! From the outside, those are an exact copy of the Febi's. Did you get them from Importecparts?


Hey Chris,
I was just thinking, If you want to cut one of these apart and look at the guts for comparison, I would be happy to trade one of your febi's for one of mine? Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ther MUST be something that can be done to make them easy to service.

There just MUST be.

(Taking them apart does not appeal to me to service them....)

Chris, continue with the thinking cap on, please.....
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ordered up four bushings from autopartsworld.com.

Item #: L2030-28177
Description: Control Arm Bushing, First Equipment Quality
Price: $9.29
Quantity: 2
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Item #: L2030-28177
Description: Control Arm Bushing
Price: $9.47
Quantity: 2
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They are the same part number, but two are from China (the First Equipment Quality), and the other two show the word "Germany" molded into the rubber. It appears that there was at least one more word preceeding "Germany", but they have been ground off.

Looks like there are subtle differences between the two, mostly just small rubber bits that were not cleaned off of the asian ones.

They will be installed in spring, when the weather warms. -5 degrees F here this morning.

Please don't ask me to cut them apart!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

riceye wrote:
I ordered up four bushings from autopartsworld.com.

Item #: L2030-28177
Description: Control Arm Bushing, First Equipment Quality
Price: $9.29
Quantity: 2
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

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Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Item #: L2030-28177
Description: Control Arm Bushing
Price: $9.47
Quantity: 2
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


They are the same part number, but two are from China (the First Equipment Quality), and the other two show the word "Germany" molded into the rubber. It appears that there was at least one more word preceeding "Germany", but they have been ground off.

Looks like there are subtle differences between the two, mostly just small rubber bits that were not cleaned off of the asian ones.

They will be installed in spring, when the weather warms. -5 degrees F here this morning.

Please don't ask me to cut them apart!



I think FEQ ! is what a person yells when it fails after only 500 miles Surprised


Let us know how it holds up...I need to rebuild all that stuff on my van soon.


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