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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

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Next time drill and add a zerk fitting to grease them prior to mounting.
Or go PU and forget about it....


then I will need a grease gun and some rubber grease too Wink

I think my control arm is bent. There was quite a gap between the washer and the bushing before I have tightened the bolt. I bought a set of used ones to ease the change so I can compare.
The PU is not road legal here unfortunately.


The 2WD arm can compress, unlike the Syncro arm.

Powerflex is now making a stealth line, all black, just saying 😁😁


Yes it can compress, but it adds more tension to the bushing when the gap is too big. I had around 5mm gap with the Lemforder and a bit less with the Meyle and the Febi before as I remember.

I have read some topics about Powerflex UCAB where the conclusion was they are softer than the OE style. But I am aware of the Powerflex heritage bushigs which are black, just not saw them yet in real.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

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Next time drill and add a zerk fitting to grease them prior to mounting.
Or go PU and forget about it....


then I will need a grease gun and some rubber grease too Wink

I think my control arm is bent. There was quite a gap between the washer and the bushing before I have tightened the bolt. I bought a set of used ones to ease the change so I can compare.
The PU is not road legal here unfortunately.


The 2WD arm can compress, unlike the Syncro arm.

Powerflex is now making a stealth line, all black, just saying 😁😁
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

There are different thickness washers available to adjust that gap. 3 thicknesses that give you quite a few combinations.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:27 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

ALIKA T3 wrote:
Next time drill and add a zerk fitting to grease them prior to mounting.
Or go PU and forget about it....


then I will need a grease gun and some rubber grease too Wink

I think my control arm is bent. There was quite a gap between the washer and the bushing before I have tightened the bolt. I bought a set of used ones to ease the change so I can compare.
The PU is not road legal here unfortunately.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

Next time drill and add a zerk fitting to grease them prior to mounting.
Or go PU and forget about it....
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:05 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

The Lemforder squeaks like crazy. Lasted half a year without any real mileage Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

No, you accurately inspected both parts Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

Question: I have a set of Syncro upper control arms and GoWesty ball joint spacers. Will the Syncro control arms fit a late model 2wd? I suspect no as the ball joint connection looks offset but thought I would ask my fellow Vanagon experts before springing for Burley痴 UCA痴.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:36 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

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Contact Christopher at T3 Technique. He lists the bolts on his website. Get the bolts and carefully cut the control arm free with a sawzall. Be careful not to cut the arm or the chassis. I知 fairly certain the bolt is seized to the bushing sleeves not the chassis. Once you have the arm cut free, you can press the bushings out of the control arm. Press in new ones. Hopefully the remaining piece of bolt comes out of the chassis.

Freeing up frozen items usually takes a lot of heat. I would discourage trying to use a torch to free up the bolt especially on a 2wd. The fuel tank is right there. Good luck.


Buy the expensive sawzall blade- the one that costs 12 dollars, not the 3 that cost 15 dollars. I burned through the 3 cutting out 2 bolts, each took waaaay too long, then bought the 12 dollar one. The remaining bolts each took less than 30 seconds and the 12 dollar blade still has lots of life.

Where exactly did you cut? I do not mind cutting the arm as I have a new one ready to go.


First, I should clarify- to be more specific, the total # of bolts I was cutting out included the lower control arm bolts, some front, all rear.

I had to cut out one upper control arm bolt, it was seized to the bushings.

There are good pictures in this thread of the same place I cut.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:16 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

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Contact Christopher at T3 Technique. He lists the bolts on his website. Get the bolts and carefully cut the control arm free with a sawzall. Be careful not to cut the arm or the chassis. I知 fairly certain the bolt is seized to the bushing sleeves not the chassis. Once you have the arm cut free, you can press the bushings out of the control arm. Press in new ones. Hopefully the remaining piece of bolt comes out of the chassis.

Freeing up frozen items usually takes a lot of heat. I would discourage trying to use a torch to free up the bolt especially on a 2wd. The fuel tank is right there. Good luck.


Buy the expensive sawzall blade- the one that costs 12 dollars, not the 3 that cost 15 dollars. I burned through the 3 cutting out 2 bolts, each took waaaay too long, then bought the 12 dollar one. The remaining bolts each took less than 30 seconds and the 12 dollar blade still has lots of life.

Where exactly did you cut? I do not mind cutting the arm as I have a new one ready to go.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

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Contact Christopher at T3 Technique. He lists the bolts on his website. Get the bolts and carefully cut the control arm free with a sawzall. Be careful not to cut the arm or the chassis. I知 fairly certain the bolt is seized to the bushing sleeves not the chassis. Once you have the arm cut free, you can press the bushings out of the control arm. Press in new ones. Hopefully the remaining piece of bolt comes out of the chassis.

Freeing up frozen items usually takes a lot of heat. I would discourage trying to use a torch to free up the bolt especially on a 2wd. The fuel tank is right there. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

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Contact Christopher at T3 Technique. He lists the bolts on his website. Get the bolts and carefully cut the control arm free with a sawzall. Be careful not to cut the arm or the chassis. I知 fairly certain the bolt is seized to the bushing sleeves not the chassis. Once you have the arm cut free, you can press the bushings out of the control arm. Press in new ones. Hopefully the remaining piece of bolt comes out of the chassis.

Freeing up frozen items usually takes a lot of heat. I would discourage trying to use a torch to free up the bolt especially on a 2wd. The fuel tank is right there. Good luck.


Buy the expensive sawzall blade- the one that costs 12 dollars, not the 3 that cost 15 dollars. I burned through the 3 cutting out 2 bolts, each took waaaay too long, then bought the 12 dollar one. The remaining bolts each took less than 30 seconds and the 12 dollar blade still has lots of life.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

Contact Christopher at T3 Technique. He lists the bolts on his website. Get the bolts and carefully cut the control arm free with a sawzall. Be careful not to cut the arm or the chassis. I知 fairly certain the bolt is seized to the bushing sleeves not the chassis. Once you have the arm cut free, you can press the bushings out of the control arm. Press in new ones. Hopefully the remaining piece of bolt comes out of the chassis.

Freeing up frozen items usually takes a lot of heat. I would discourage trying to use a torch to free up the bolt especially on a 2wd. The fuel tank is right there. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

I am having trouble removing the control arm bolt. Read all the posts, even made a tool to push it out and it will not budge. Also does not seem rusted. Soaked i n KROIL for days. Any other ideas?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

Looks like the right front failed. The rubber is pressed out from the bushing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:07 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

The new Lemforder bushings arrived. I bought a JPGroup one for comparsion.

ZF changed the partnr and the part itself. The old ones had the VW-Audi logo removed by a grinder. The new one have a new style plastic cap with no grinding marks.
I have read on Brickwerks site that the design was changed and they no longer recommend it on syncros. In comparsion to the JPG one it is smaller in every dimension

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:35 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

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Last year I bought Febis here in Hungary and they look like the Meyle ones posted in the first posts. Not installed them yet planning to do before the state exam. My Lemforder ones lasted 7-8 years and they squeking since about the third or fourth year.

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They lasted 2 years which means around 20000 kms.
The right front one is squeaking and the bolt is off center which means its shot. Same one as last time.
Is it possible that my control arm is bent and makes too much tension on that side?


The Meyle ones I have put in 3 moths ago failed after 5000kms Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

Went to install a set of Lemforders into my Syncro upper control arms. Was pleased to see the vw number cast into them. Unfortunately after pressing out the old ones, the Lemforders 吐all in. Bummer.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

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Last year I bought Febis here in Hungary and they look like the Meyle ones posted in the first posts. Not installed them yet planning to do before the state exam. My Lemforder ones lasted 7-8 years and they squeking since about the third or fourth year.

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They lasted 2 years which means around 20000 kms.
The right front one is squeaking and the bolt is off center which means its shot. Same one as last time.
Is it possible that my control arm is bent and makes too much tension on that side?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: Upper control arm bushing failure (pictures) Reply with quote

I decided to replace them anyway because the rubber looked really bad. If they fail I probably will try something different and more expensive like the GoWesty bushings.
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