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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: gas tank overhaul |
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Greetings. Did a search. Browsed the classifieds. Searched online.
Since California is now having gas tank pressure testing as part of the Smog program, I find myself wanting to refurbish the system.
I was on ratwells site. Read the Bentley. Looked at online parts places.
All toward finding out what will need to be changed. I'm interested in the fuel filler neck. Part number 211-201-119A for the unleaded fuel nozzle at the pump. Found a place in the UK that showed a listing. Fired off an e-mail to them.
The earlier fuel neck is available. The -119 but most places show the 119A as NLA.
Anyone out there carry these?
Thanks _________________ Peace, Regis |
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Karl Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2001 Posts: 6170 Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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If is because of the built-in fill pipe restrictor, you can get around that by using the regular filler neck and replacing the plate with the restrictor style. |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Mine has the restrictor as part of the rubber filler neck. The outer flange has only the tangs to grab onto the gas cap.
What part number or what years have the restrictor built into the plate?
Thanks _________________ Peace, Regis |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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From a UK site I found flange part number(s) of 221-201-131/D
I'm thinking that the -131 is one part and the -131D is another.
I'd prefer to have the OEM design. I'll see what they say. _________________ Peace, Regis |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Mosparx Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2004 Posts: 307 Location: Cleveland Ohio
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: Re: gas tank overhaul |
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regis101 wrote: |
Since California is now having gas tank pressure testing as part of the Smog program, I find myself wanting to refurbish the system. |
I don't know how they test in California, but in Ohio they test your gas CAP, not the tank, to see if the cap is holding pressure. If that's the case there, inspect your cap gasket, and if it looks dried out or cracked, get a new cap before the test. |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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The UK place has the elbow without the restrictor. wtf.
Cali does the gas cap test. They are also now doing tank pressurization. _________________ Peace, Regis |
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sofakingcool Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2007 Posts: 405 Location: Lexington, SC
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Damn... glad i dont live in cali. Sounds nit-picky as hell |
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regis101 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Move over, brother, we're coming in. _________________ Peace, Regis |
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Karl Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2001 Posts: 6170 Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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I am talking about replacing the plain ring that 98% of 74? and up bay gas caps lock onto with the super rare restricter ring:
I gave one to a guy to have them repro'ed but I have not seen a product yet. This will allow you to use the Fed version [the one available] bird beak and still pass Calif smog for the restricter test. |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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I kinda thought you meant to change out the flange. That would be real nice option. Might have to rummage through the boneyard for something similar. Maybe get the OE plate and have a donor restrictor welded to it. Dunno. Just thinking.
I have to look at mine even more closely. There is a split from the small hole that the pump nozzle fits into up to what is probably the overflow. Maybe that's normal and all is well. _________________ Peace, Regis |
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ratwell Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2003 Posts: 8717 Location: Victoria, BC
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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regis101 wrote: |
Part number 211-201-119A for the unleaded fuel nozzle at the pump. Found a place in the UK that showed a listing. Fired off an e-mail to them. |
It has been NLA for a long time.
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From a UK site I found flange part number(s) of 221-201-131/D
I'm thinking that the -131 is one part and the -131D is another. |
221-201-131D is the part number. VW puts letters at the end to distinguish parts with variations.
I can't locate a part number for the one Karl is talking about in my photo.
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I'd prefer to have the OEM design. I'll see what they say. |
The OEM bird beak design cracks easily. I've never found one in a junkyard that wasn't torn up. The parts that give it stiffness often fall into the tank and block the outlet causing fuel starvation.
Mosparx wrote: |
don't know how they test in California, but in Ohio they test your gas CAP, not the tank, to see if the cap is holding pressure. |
CA already tests the cap. Now they are doing both.
regis101 wrote: |
I have to look at mine even more closely. There is a split from the small hole that the pump nozzle fits into up to what is probably the overflow. Maybe that's normal and all is well. |
tank->filler pipe->filler neck->mounting ring
On a 78 there is no breather tee in the filler pipe. Karl is talking about these two mounting rings (the one on the left is actually a 3 hole Vanagon version of the plated bus version):
There were 3 setups:
- leaded filler neck with ring
- leaded filled neck with restricted ring
- unleaded "bird beak" filler neck
The restricted ring is hard to find as well and the repro isn't ready yet. I have read from people that making their own restricted ring has enabled them to pass. Buy the leaded filler neck and put a plate behind the unrestricted ring to get a 78 CA model to pass visual inspection. _________________ '78 Westfalia CDN
'76 Doublecab
Read the Baywindow FAQ |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: |
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So the bird beak style would then have two holes, I guess. One for the nozzle and the second one mimics an overflow similar to the small hole in the metal restrictor plate as shown.
Mine has a split from hole to hole. It is a straight line. Perhaps it split along the molded injection casting line.
I'm not due for another smog until Jan 09. DMV papers usually get to me around the first of Nov. I have some time. But It will be one of my summer time projects.
I'll keep looking around. Maybe busted Bus or other VW salvage yard may come up with something.
Thanks for the replies _________________ Peace, Regis |
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regis101 Samba Member
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ratwell Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2003 Posts: 8717 Location: Victoria, BC
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: |
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regis101 wrote: |
So the bird beak style would then have two holes, I guess. One for the nozzle and the second one mimics an overflow similar to the small hole in the metal restrictor plate as shown. |
Right.
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Mine has a split from hole to hole. It is a straight line. Perhaps it split along the molded injection casting line. |
There is a metal ring that is molded into the rubber and that is where the break usually begins. This is what you see:
And this is what the fuel filler pipe sees (notice how the crack has grown from the obvious stress point):
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I'll keep looking around. Maybe busted Bus or other VW salvage yard may come up with something. |
There is "always" a rare NOS one out there but I would look for the restricted ring or fab up your own restrictor. _________________ '78 Westfalia CDN
'76 Doublecab
Read the Baywindow FAQ |
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regis101 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Cool Thanks _________________ Peace, Regis |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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I would think that being able to find leaded gas in CA or anywhere else would be just about as diffiicult as finding the correct "bird's beak". |
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regis101 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: |
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It's for the visual. Arnie and his boyz don't miss a trick. _________________ Peace, Regis |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Well you have a lot of crafty folks out there always trying to beat you.
Wait till they take on the low riders. Then it will really get exciting. |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Do we have the part number(s) of the plate(s) with built-in restrictor?
I sourced a filler tube from a wet westy out of the boneyard to use for parts.
The restrictor can be separated from the gas cap flange plate. I may be able to have it modified and welded to my OE gas cap flange. Have to wait until all come apart for a looksie _________________ Peace, Regis |
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