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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely Workmanship.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like your Dad could be very busy with vw clocks if he wanted!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just fix the dammmm samba thingy thing and drive it Idea Laughing


It seems that deluxe owners are far more interested in having every single correct part before they'll even entertain the idea of driving their bus.......


EasyTiger.............some of us do pull our fingers out Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

..'perfectionist ' springs to mind.. Wink Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So ... the conclusion is that my friend's February 1952 DeLuxe uses a clock which is exactly like a Split Window Beetle clock?

Correct?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have a picture of an original early 1953 (black face) Barndoor deluxe pod clock winder knob? I'm working on a little something. I tried searching the gallery but I didn't find anything.
I did find this though, pretty kewl little bugger:
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
Can we put the mecanism of a bug Kienzle clock in a barndoor Kienzle 1954 clock ?

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A Kienzle for a bug

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A Kienzle for a barndoor

Has someone already tried please? Do someone has an exploded view of speedos or instructions to disassemble a speedo Rolling Eyes

Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can we put the mecanism of a bug Kienzle clock in a barndoor Kienzle 1954 clock ?

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A Kienzle for a bug

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A Kienzle for a barndoor

Has someone already tried please? Do someone has an exploded view of speedos or instructions to disassemble a speedo Rolling Eyes

Thanks

The size of the axles that the watch hands go on is probably different on the Barndoor clock mechanism, due to the large size of the hands. I have a similar miniature clock and the smaller axle is about 1/64 to 1/32 of an inch, I haven't taken apart any Barndoor clocks but all the Split Beetle clocks I've taken apart had something much larger, and as far as I know all Split Beetle hands interchange with Barndoor ones. You could probably have most of the parts from the Bug movement swapped over to the Barndoor movement by a clock restorer though, if they can't salvage the Barndoor movement.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, can someone tell me if the clock dial was hand painted, or made with decals, or painted with a stencil ?
If you know someone who can restore a dial, please tell me Smile
Thanks for the help. It s for the tomtom bus
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it was spray painted with stencils, that's how you would restore it also.
needs very detailed work and steady hands to do all of this.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask blue box of his clock restauration:

look the pictures before and after:

http://www.1954samba.com/copy_of_restoration.html

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, fine grey(blueish) lines seem to have been drawn by hand on his faceplate.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ask blue box of his clock restauration:

look the pictures before and after:

http://www.1954samba.com/copy_of_restoration.html

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...I asked him but still have no answer from for the moment Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djfordmanjack wrote:
it was spray painted with stencils, that's how you would restore it also.
needs very detailed work and steady hands to do all of this.


Was is a stencil or a buffer (I don't know the exact word in English)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djfordmanjack wrote:
Interesting, fine grey(blueish) lines seem to have been drawn by hand on his faceplate.

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The lines definitely look inconsistent and hand-painted in places, but they were probably only touch-up painted in places where the original ink was missing, and most of the lines actually consist of the original ink.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but they were probably only touch-up painted in places where the original ink was missing


never ever ! Did you see the before pic ? this face has been completely painted and striped/signwritten. I think the letters have been done by hand too, probably with stencils, Still guessing about the VDO and Kienzle scripts.
Yeah maybe stencils is the wrong word, should be a stamp/mold whatever you call it, which is printing the lines/numbers on the color sprayed face.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke to an instrument manufacturer about producing this (and other) faces.

He speculated that after screen printing (silk screen) the flat blank, they are then hydro-formed to achieve the circular rib.

This process was and is used on tin toys. How do you think they print on irregular shapes. Answer: They Don't.

Further investigation led me to specialist inkjet printers' that can print on onto irregular surfaces. This appears to be the modern restoration solution if you have a clock.

As I have sourced the correct instruments I originally intended to reproduce I haven't followed this any further, although I have produced the artwork in Illustrator.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

52 deelux wrote:
then hydro-formed to achieve the circular rib.

This process was and is used on tin toys. How do you think they print on irregular shapes. Answer: They Don't.



well yeah, that sounds absolutely logical, die stamping the finished painted face.
still is no solution to restoring an old face plate, well the modern printer could be.
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but they were probably only touch-up painted in places where the original ink was missing


never ever ! Did you see the before pic ? this face has been completely painted and striped/signwritten. I think the letters have been done by hand too, probably with stencils, Still guessing about the VDO and Kienzle scripts.
Yeah maybe stencils is the wrong word, should be a stamp/mold whatever you call it, which is printing the lines/numbers on the color sprayed face.

Didn't see the before pic until I looked at the link just now. Someone I once sold about $400 worth of stuff to once tried to commission me to restore his Hebmuller speedo by hand-painting the dial. I insisted that it wouldn't look perfect, he insisted that I do it anyway, and because he'd already bought so much stuff from me, I couldn't say no. I had the speedo disassembled and repainted the dial, at which point he asked for an update. I told him it looked OK except for the fact that the surface had brushstrokes in it, and he got very upset and told me it needed to be perfect, absolutely no brushstrokes allowed. I told him he was the one who insisted I repaint the dial by hand, a process which leaves brushstrokes behind, and that I only agreed to do it that way because he insisted. I sent the disassembled speedo back to him and never got paid for the full day of work I put into it. According to him I "Ruined" his "400 dollar part." I'm convinced that he wanted me to do the job by hand mostly for the cool factor and bragging rights, mistakenly believing hand-painting to be a perfect process by its very nature. This was the only time I've had a major beef with someone via thesamba.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is absolutely the same obstacles I see in restoring a faceplate without digital 3D printing devices. it will never look like original, especially when concerning that they molded (diestamped) the already finished faceplate into its 3 dimensional shape. I think one could do with lasercut foil letters, lines and stripes, but you will see the thickness of the foil. I see another possible solution with photo etching/ light sensitive paint that would be developed by stencils or a digital projected pattern of the face. This would be an easy one with the right tools/equipment/program. Doing this by hand is possible and will be appreciated by a lot of people but it will never look like the original. Hand and brush is art, not gearwork.
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