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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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ghiadesigns wrote: |
Twin cam 550 engine, I think. What is that about 80 or 100k for the engine alone? |
Easy 100k. _________________ Glenn
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hugheseum Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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and what 12 to 24 hr valve adjustments? _________________ Have a great day! |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:02 am Post subject: |
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hugheseum wrote: |
and what 12 to 24 hr valve adjustments? |
Only 8 valves even though its got 4 cams. _________________ Glenn
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swanlakers Samba Member
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Cohibra45 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Porsche 4 cam engines were also used in the Carrera in the 1950s. They are pretty much useless below 5000rpm but could spin up to 8000. They also only produced around 130hp-150hp.
By todays standard type 1 hipo, not much.
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hugheseum Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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oh Glenn,i was refferring to the hourly time given to set the valve timing on the 4 cams,when i was apprenticing my boss had told me 12 to 24 hrs to set valve timing,but that was several yrs ago now.
the 4 cam is one of the engines ive always wanted,i hope to have one someday.....dreams are free _________________ Have a great day! |
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Rome Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Glenn, that is the 2nd Beetle I've ever seen with that remarkable engine- generically called the "Fuhrmann" engine after the Porsche engineer Ernst Fuhrmann who designed it in the early 50's. The one you show is from a Porsche collector in OR, based on an article in the "356 Registry" newsletter that I get from another friend regularly. The other Beetle was in the Collier Museum in Naples FL 20 years ago- a mouse grey OVAL with the 180hp version engine from a Porsche-Elva or such. The car was on display but you could tell the engine was not in the car at the time. Collier Bros. had Troutman-Barnes in LA fabricate alu fenders, running boards and even bumpers, I think, for that Oval to reduce weight. Car on display had excellent bodywork and was totally stock looking except for the same chromie 356 wheels as in the car you showed.
Such an engine would make the Beetle (or Ghia) "sick" fast! Yes, modern aftermarket VW parts are available for a skilled engine builder to reach the same output with much easier maintenance and at most 1/10 of the cost...
Quiet VW muffler? I suppose a good stock German muffler (Leistritz or Eberspaecher are good brands) with German tips (eliminates that wheezy whistling sound) is not what you want? 1 3/8" header with a hide-away muffler that tucks up in the right rear wheelwell (for a Beetle; seems not to be readily available for a Ghia) is even quieter than a single QP muffler. Smooth running- new sparkplugs and ignition wires, good distributor (does not need to be hi-po, just good stock one properly timed), clean carb. Also to prevent the engine from rocking back and forth at idle- new German rubber engine mounts. I'm always impressed by stock engines at VW shows that idle so steady they seem to be standing still.
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Cohibra45 wrote: |
... They also only produced around 130hp-150hp.
By todays standard type 1 hipo, not much.
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The 2 liter 4 cam engine made 180hp. When was the last time you saw a VW engine of that size that made that much hp? _________________
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Rome wrote: |
Glenn, that is the 2nd Beetle I've ever seen with that remarkable engine- .... |
Roland, there's a 67 Beetle in Seattle with a 4 cam engine in it. The owner is not involved in the VW scene, so not many have seen it. The organizer of the annual Vintage show in Seattle convinced him to bring it out in about 91 or 92. It too had an altered deck lid. _________________
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dog_jr911 Swamp Donkey Assistant
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: |
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its a loud car. its just what it is.
it will always have that "clockwork" like sound when it runs, its just a aircooled thing.
kinda cool too _________________ AKA Chris™
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Cohibra45 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
Cohibra45 wrote: |
... They also only produced around 130hp-150hp.
By todays standard type 1 hipo, not much.
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The 2 liter 4 cam engine made 180hp. When was the last time you saw a VW engine of that size that made that much hp? |
Check out this:
http://forums.aircooledtechnology.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=786&d=1201796192
That is a 2L that makes 180hp at a much lower rpm, on pump gas, for a street car, not race car...
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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You've missed my point.
There aren't many 2 liter engines built today that make 180hp, and today's engines have the benefit of 40 more years of development. _________________
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broomhandle Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Porsche engine compared to VW. |
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Old thread....
But I would like to know the difference of these motors. Super 90 vs VW then.
Did Porsche use VW parts and build their own? How is the super 90 not a VW? |
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Cohibra45 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Porsche engine compared to VW. |
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broomhandle wrote: |
Old thread....
But I would like to know the difference of these motors. Super 90 vs VW then.
Did Porsche use VW parts and build their own? How is the super 90 not a VW? |
A porsche motor used porsche parts also the Super 90 was around 90hp. The VW motor back in late 60's and into 70's made an advertised 60hp. The only similarity is air cooled. |
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broomhandle Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Porsche engine compared to VW. |
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Is it the same case? Heads? Etc..just made by Porsche?.Or is everything different?
Any pictures of the super 90?
Also back in the day the pan is different?
My friend has a original 62 356 and it looks exact type 1 motor and pan... |
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Stocknazi Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Porsche engine compared to VW. |
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broomhandle wrote: |
Is it the same case? Heads? Etc..just made by Porsche?.Or is everything different?
Any pictures of the super 90?
Also back in the day the pan is different?
My friend has a original 62 356 and it looks exact type 1 motor and pan... |
Maybe yiou friend has a VW motor in his 356?
Not sure of the exact dates, but early 50's Porsche (pre-A) and VW used some of the same engine/transmission parts. _________________ WANTED:
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Cohibra45 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Porsche engine compared to VW. |
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broomhandle wrote: |
Is it the same case? Heads? Etc..just made by Porsche?.Or is everything different?
Any pictures of the super 90?
Also back in the day the pan is different?
My friend has a original 62 356 and it looks exact type 1 motor and pan... |
Here...........check out this link.
https://abauerporsche.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/porsche-engines-basics-in-the-differences/ |
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tobiasax Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Porsche engine compared to VW. |
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...the article seems to be written by someone with little technical knowledge as they fail in describing the differances... _________________ __________________________________________ |
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dsrtfox Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Porsche engine compared to VW. |
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What section of the Samba is this in ? |
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earthquake Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Porsche engine compared to VW. |
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